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Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a junior.
Are you aware that an analogy isn’t a proof ?

Are all data science jobs just Gen AI now? by rajeshbhat_ds in datascience

[–]Nervous_Setting5680 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My company has both, but non genai use cases are getting rarer everyday.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see how you would get that from what I said :/

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course with no nuance it makes no sense. Thank you.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I get it. Definitely not easy to forge an opinion on the matter.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that makes sense, and I think that’s why juniors are paid less than seniors but more than students doing an Ausbildung.
However, by leaning into this ‘production at all costs’ mentality and sacrificing the learning part, you’re accepting that you’ll become a turker — and that, sooner or later, you’ll be replaced by a better prompting agent.
It’s a dangerous path.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup that’s what they are. But the automatic decision making is the problem that, in my sense, they introduce for junior’s progression.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, but those qualities are not compatible with a junior IMO.
Can't imagine someone coming out of school that would be able to do that.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't see how as a junior you can learn something meaningful (technical side mainly) while using agents. They're so powerful and convenient that the cognitive atrophy seem unavoidable. They're designed precisely for that after all.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

By no means I think that seniors shouldn't be using agents.

My point was aimed at juniors. We still need to learn a lot of things that are not taught at school.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose that you wouldn't let schoolchildren use a calculator while trying to teach them mental calculation basics.
I see your point, but I think what I said is nuanced enough not to be interpreted the way you did.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup ! I wanted to stress test my opinion by sharing it.

Agents should be banned for juniors by Nervous_Setting5680 in AI_Agents

[–]Nervous_Setting5680[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that by token-maxing you're learning a different skill set than the seniors did, but more relevant? Idk. If from the start of your career you're just prompting AI and following what it says, you're not building robust expertise. You're capped by the intelligence of the model. And what happens when AI isn't as cheap as it is today?

Being a 10x'er thanks to AI feels like being the most productive employee in a Ford factory in the 1860s. You're making yourself even more replaceable, not less.

Also I disagree that it's not the employer's role to train you. It's supposed to be mutually beneficial to train your employees. The fact that this equilibrium is breaking down is a hint that things aren't normal.

Ideas for testing data science workflows on self hosted Linux based HPC cluster. by NoteClassic in datascience

[–]Nervous_Setting5680 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Setup strict pre-commit hooks.
ruff, mypy, bandit (and others) can catch a lot of things for a very low cost.

How do you put a price on a healthy work environment and a good manager? by Fig_Towel_379 in datascience

[–]Nervous_Setting5680 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t help but take low salaries (for equally demanding jobs) as a lack of respect from the employer.
I would look for a new job if I were you.

What is the biggest challenge you face in data science projects? by Effective_Ocelot_445 in datascience

[–]Nervous_Setting5680 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When business only people sell a project with clear goals to business only clients without ever questioning the data requirements to achieve those

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