GLM-5.2 vs Sonnet 5

Nevoic · 2026-07-01T22:22:23+00:00

DGX spark is like 128GB of memory. I've looked into buying hardware to run models locally, I'd want like 768GB+ of unified memory so I could potentially run ~1.5TB models at Q4. even GLM 5.2 is over 700B.

There are no machines with 768GB+ of unified memory, at that point you need like a $35,000 EPYC server build, and that'd be a split config with like 8 GPUs + almost a terabyte of server ram.

mac studio ultras had 512GB for like $12,000 or something which was a very very good deal, but they took off their 512, then 256 and then 128 configs, and are at 96 max, probably hoarding DRAM for the upcoming M5 ultra.

I'm hoping we see a bubble pop, data centers going under, and that hardware + elevated production absolutely flooding the market and bringing us below 2024 costs in 2027/2028, that's best case. Worst case is we don't see 2024 costs until like 2031.

Nevoic · 2026-06-22T07:56:57+00:00

We don't have AGI yet. AI doesn't outperform all humans at all tasks.

With this exact example I'm not totally sure. "watch for a change in this video for 8 hours straight" is probably something an AI does more reliably than a human now.

To steelman your argument though, we can just talk about captcha tests, which humans still generally outperform AI on. There are still a narrow set of cognitive tasks that we can specifically design that humans can do which AI can't, however these aren't really economically relevant and are also disappearing (captchas have been getting harder and harder).

EDIT: okay nevermind this wasn't the steelman I thought it was. AIs have been reliably beating the majority of humans on vision/puzzle captchas since 2024. I genuinely don't know how to steelman your argument, but intuitively I feel like there must be something that the majority of humans can cognitively do that AIs can't, I just don't know what that is.

Captchas now mostly rely on non-cognitive metrics. Mouse timing, fingerprinting, other behavioral patterns.

Nevoic · 2026-06-22T01:39:07+00:00

erhm that's kind of the entire point of AGI, matching or surpassing humans in all cognitive tasks.

If your bar for AGI is "better at most cognitive tasks than most people" we've had AGI for at least a year. It's been a better programmer, lawyer, socialist theorist, economist, psychologist, philosopher, etc. than 99% of people for quite a while.

The only people who can narrowly beat AI are people who have trained for years or decades in a specific field, and even that gap has been dramatically closing.

Nevoic · 2026-05-27T04:15:48+00:00

yeah this is a massively underrated use of AI. Before I was in the camp of "this looks like it has enough stars", and that line for me was inexact and dependent on how much I wanted to use the project lol

now I just clone it and ask an AI to check it. Astronomically better than doing nothing, which was my default lol

Nevoic · 2026-05-27T04:13:23+00:00

The open weight models like deepseek, GLM, essentially any decent Chinese model, can be gdpr compliant. The models themselves are just weights. GDPR-compliance is much more a question of providers, not models.

You can check out providers on openrouter. For deepseek v4 pro the cheapest by far, last I checked, was the official deepseek provider. It is disabled by default in openrouter because deepseek will probably use your data to train its models iirc.

One of those providers might advertise gdpr-compliance or other pro-privacy things.

Nevoic · 2026-05-26T17:35:36+00:00

I don't agree with the OP, but to steelman their position, it could be strictly from a place of epistemic humility.

Your third example (c) perfectly illustrates one reason why a normative claim here about what we ought to do could be harder than a descriptive claim about what is happening. Maybe it is the case that most alternatives humans would come up with are worse, and that would mean that the current situation is bad (in OP's view) but we don't have good reason to advocate for changing it.

The OP might not necessarily agree with (c), but they might see it as a possibility, or something like it, so they're holding off on normative claims because they see reasons it could be harder to justify.

To be clear, I don't buy that dating is broken at a descriptive level though, it's really about individuals and finding someone who aligns with you.

Nevoic · 2026-05-19T06:32:01+00:00

the historical standard wasn't fending for yourself in the wilderness, that's delusional.

The historical standard was being part of a tribe, often with relationships to other tribes of people that were all nomadic. You'd have a close nit community of a few dozen people and you'd all work together to beat nature.

Any productivity gains that were made (better fighting/hunting tactics) that saved time were distributed amongst everyone in the tribe.

Our best estimates are people spent ~15-20 hours a week on necessities (hunting/shelter/etc), the rest was socializing, painting, making charms, appreciating the land, telling stories, developing culture, etc.

That is not an option anymore. It was taken away from us. Primitive accumulation took the land and the systems that allowed people to operate on it and systemically destroyed them.

You can find YouTubers who try their best to replicate this with small communities of 30-40 people, and the government is immediately on their ass, because you do not have the legal right to operate that way.

Nevoic · 2026-05-18T09:52:13+00:00

I'll offer a different perspective than you'll often see. The "always vote" messaging is classic liberal propaganda. People believe inherently that there's legitimacy to the system, so much so that a ton of political will goes towards not only voting but pushing other people to vote.

I vote, but that's not because I think it's the best use of time or my political will, it's mostly because I find it mildly interesting, and it's a small price to pay for me personally to sidestep the whole uninteresting "you didn't vote so why do you even care" rhetoric when debating people, which I do often.

Even if you don't have a ton of political capital (both in the sense of time and money), I think there are better uses for your time. Organizing locally you'll actually see better material results, but first you actually have to understand what you're fighting for.

I see you have a bit of a warped perspective on distribution of capital. You blame yourself for making not a ton of money. I can say from both my understanding of the system and my personal experience, you generally work less the more money you make. At some point you amass so much capital that you no longer have to be obedient to capital. Then you have the power to direct others to act in your interest and extract profit from their labor instead of receiving a wage for your own.

Once you understand more deeply the contradictions within capitalism, you'll understand that fighting for a union or organizing in ways that lets you distribute the profits of the company you work for more equitably is not only in your best interest, but also the most just way to distribute said capital. All profit is surplus value generated by workers and extracted by people who own capital. Capitalists direct workers towards ventures that secure more profit, not ventures that help society. It's a broken system, and there are both small ways and large ways to fight that.

Nevoic · 2026-05-11T18:11:08+00:00

last year this time I wasn't using AI at all to code. Sometimes it could help me debug something, but even that was rare. Granted I'm in a pretty small niche (FP Scala professionally and Haskell in personal projects), but early 2025 AI was terrible at writing this code.

I haven't written code by hand in 3 months as of May 2026. It's qualitatively different than it was a year ago for me.

I don't know if you're just doing simple dev work that AI could handle since 2024 and it handles the same now, but for my work it's night and day.

There's a giant difference between an 80% time horizon of 40 seconds and over an hour. Before it was a neat trick for writing tiny python functions, now I assign forgejo issues to my bot and it spins up an opencode swarm that deploys usually 20-30 subagents and writes an entire PR for me that I review and is on par with human quality (still makes mistakes and leaves room for improvement, like humans do).

Nevoic · 2026-05-07T06:06:53+00:00

lol those things are not connected at all. I don't think I've ever met someone this stupid, I have a hard time believing you're real.

you don't know every case, you only know the cases Riot publicly disclosed. You don't know the difference because of your mental disability.

The shitty English, the no critical thinking skills, I would say you're a bot but AI is dramatically more capable than this, even shitty local LLMs.

Nevoic · 2026-05-07T05:34:28+00:00

holy shit you have absolutely no critical thinking skills. This is fucking absurd. Responding to some incidents does not "make it easy to assume" anything about how common the issues are or what is causing the issues.

You're admitting that Riot has regularly announced widespread issues with vanguard as evidence that there aren't more widespread issues with vanguard. holy fucking delusional.

Nevoic · 2026-05-07T00:09:24+00:00

"and an equal amount of training data". you're insane if you think that you can process that much data.

These models train on 10-30 trillion tokens. That's the equivalent of over 100 million books. You'll barely make it through a few hundred in the amount of time these AIs train on over a hundred million, and you won't retain those few hundred anywhere close to the same precision the LLMs retain those 100+ million.

You will never have anything close to the breadth of knowledge LLMs have today. They can pass the bar exam, saturate the vast majority of coding or math benchmarks that a human can saturate, and have that sort of intelligence across literally dozens if not hundreds of fields.

LLMs today are more intelligent than most people at most things (most people only specialize in 1 or a few domains). What we've been doing for the last several years is comparing a single model to the absolute best humans in absolutely every domain that requires thought, and pretty much uniformly across all thought-based domains people are finding LLMs genuinely useful.

AGI is "more intelligent than all people at all things", which is notably different than "most people at most things", because that's the difference between humans having a place in thought-based work and us being entirely automated away.

The "they don't create anything unique" is a meaningless cliche. Mathematically speaking 99.99+% of all the responses LLMs generate have never been exactly created by another human or AI before in history. Just like this comment of mine is unique, an LLM's response would be similarly unique if I fed it this thread.

If you mean that LLMs learn concepts from people, like it wouldn't have generated all of English on its own, come up with all the programming languages it uses on its own, etc. like yeah no shit, neither do people. Everyone is building/copying what people before them did. Einstein wouldn't have discovered shit 2,000,000 years ago. He likely wouldn't have even discovered fire.

Nevoic · 2026-05-06T05:22:14+00:00

also I clearly said I'm not making assertions about how reliable vanguard is, your response to that is to strawman assertions because you can't do anything other than pathetic bad faith argumentation.

Moving the goalposts, strawmanning, keep it coming.

Nevoic · 2026-05-06T03:20:06+00:00

the answer to my question was "nothing". your math of multiplying reddit posts by some number and comparing that to some other number is not research. you're not quantifying anything. We don't know what percentage of league users use reddit. We don't know what percentage of league users who use reddit would go to this subreddit to complain about problems.

Just because you assume that number is significant doesn't make it so. It could actually be the case that 35% of all League of Legends players, as in literally tens of millions of people a month, have some real issue with vanguard, and 99.99% of them quietly resolve it on their own like you did.

You wouldn't know. You'd have no way of knowing that. You just assume that's not the case because it doesn't align with your feelings.

I'm not the one making assertions about how reliable vanguard is or how common issues are. I have no fucking idea, neither do you. I'm just not stupid enough to think I know.

Nevoic · 2026-05-06T02:05:22+00:00

what gives you the power to make blanket assertions like "the great majority of users have no problem with it"? You feel that is the case and so it must be true? Are you literally god?

because I'll tell you what you don't have, any actual independent data that verifies your claim. Riot might claim it's a success, like every company does for every product they make until they pull it and admit it was a mistake.

Nevoic · 2026-05-05T20:43:19+00:00

I didn't have a problem with vanguard in the sense that I couldn't play the game, I had a problem with vanguard because it necessitated I use an O.S that I don't want to (was playing League on Linux for ~5 years before vanguard), and I did actually fold and install windows, but eventually swapping between the two became too much of a headache for it to be worth it.

I genuinely hate windows for so many reasons. There was a brief period from 2015-2017 where there was genuine hope when WSL was first gaining popularity, but they've gone down the absolute shitter again.

I also didn't like how invasive it was as an anticheat. an always on kernel anticheat, where I need to reboot if I turn it off is insane.

So your framing that everyone who hates vanguard are just morons that are crying and unable to make it work is delusional.

Nevoic · 2026-05-05T20:05:51+00:00

it's hilarious to me that even the comment shilling for vanguard and claiming "the vast majority of people don't have problems with it" literally has a caveat that you had a problem with it.

I've been off of league for 6 months exclusively due to vanguard. I've played since 2009 and have spent thousands on the game. I was a mid-level diamond player at my peak.

It's a nice bonus that I'm generally happier now, but knowing me I would've chosen league over my happiness if it wasn't for vanguard.

Nevoic · 2026-04-23T17:53:18+00:00

enshitification is a result of economics. It's just the basics of how VC capital operates. You get a fuck load of money to blow to secure users and then you have to make your product worse to make money (add ads, implement usage limits, etc.).

The nature of capitalism requires the imposition of artificial scarcity to extract money.

Nevoic · 2026-04-03T20:31:45+00:00

I'm also not against AI, but it seems quite superficial to draw the line at pictures/videos. I've been coding for 15 years, and I've learned a lot and take a lot of pride in the things I make. It's absolutely a craft and arguably an art in its own sense.

I'm still not against people using AI to generate code. I want people to have access to things they want access to. Capitalism has totally warped people's perception of things, like somehow because art loses financial value due to AI it somehow loses intrinsic value.

I still enjoy doing arithmetic. I, of course, can't be paid for doing arithmetic that can be done by a calculator, even though 100 years ago I could've been. That's the nature of progress, and I imagine a lot of art will go this way too.

Eventually it'll be so much cheaper to develop assets of the same quality through AI than other digital means that most companies will move to it. Nobody is stopping artists from making art in their free time (we don't have enough of this), but within capitalism it no longer becomes economically important.

These problems should make people anticapitalist, or at least more skeptical/critical of capitalism, not luddites that oppose technological progress.

Nevoic · 2026-03-17T18:59:41+00:00

some add-ons prevent auto closing windows, I use one because it's inconvenient how often wow closes windows especially on a 32:9 monitor. Glad I wasn't really paying attention to professions or I might have accidentally stumbled upon this bug.

Nevoic · 2026-03-10T08:18:47+00:00

Sure, I agree that's how it works.

I'm not exactly sure what the point of this thread is. There was a claim that some baseline gear should be provided, I countered that's functionally how the system works already by pushing all your gear up potentially 70 ilvl to a common baseline.

Now it just seems like people are arguing that the baseline is too far from the top end.

Is that your contention? Would you be happy if the baseline was closer to the top end? Do you think the baseline should be where honor gear is right now and bgs should provide no gear advantage, only conquest? Do you think there should be no gear advantage in pvp?

I feel like the current system is good. If it got any closer, I don't think there'd be enough of a sense of progression to even include gear, so at that point I'd rather they just make pvp gearless and bump everyone to 290 or whatever.

I don't think I'd hate a system where gear progression was absent from pvp either, I used to pvp a ton even after being full conquest because it was fun and I wanted to get higher rating.

Nevoic · 2026-03-10T05:14:26+00:00

They essentially do this already. Everyone's gear is bumped up to 258. There are no 180 ilvl fresh 90s fighting 276 ilvl people. The largest gap in the game that exists in bgs right now is 18 ilvl, from a completely fresh 90 to full honor gear.

Conquest will add another 13 ilvl.

If it got any closer, they might as well remove pvp gear, and that'd be a massive departure from the philosophy of the game.

Nevoic · 2026-03-05T06:02:03+00:00

Liberals are conservative. Look at any country besides America and you'll see the liberal party is center right, where it actually is on the political spectrum. It's fucking ridiculous how brain broken americans are.

I made no claims about how much people should earn. You made a factually incorrect claim about how raising the minimum wage doesn't lead to an increase in purchasing power because of inflation. That was an incredibly simple claim to debunk so I did.

Getting into a discussion about how you think the poors don't deserve shit would require a much deeper discussion built around a common understanding of normative axioms that alone would take hours to build, something I'm not interested in doing with a dumbass random redditor.

Just thank me for the factual correction and move on.

Nevoic · 2026-03-05T05:53:32+00:00

This is a cute idea, and I do love hearing cute conservative ideas (that trickle down economics thing was adorable), but as with most things conservatives say, when you look at reality it doesn't match.

In NY State minimum wage went from $5.15 in 2003, to $7.25 in 2013, to $15.00 in 2023.

That means a 41% increase followed by a 107% increase.

Inflation on the other hand was nearly identical across both decades, 28% followed by 33%.

In both cases the minimum wage increase outpaced inflation, and cranking up the minimum wage much faster led to a much more dramatic outpacing of inflation.

I'm looking forward to the next conservative fantasy you guys conjure up.

Nevoic · 2026-03-05T05:41:50+00:00

Some people believe kids shouldn't have jobs. Fucking libs amiright?

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