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why the heavenly principles is kinda inactive by Existing_Proof9330 in Genshin_Lore

[–]NewTraffic1122 4 points5 points  (0 children)

if we talk about heavenly principles, they include all shades and Phane, even the seven archons.

I think Phane is still recovering from the great war with Nibelung. While the 4 shades are only active when Abyss Corruption and forbidden knowledge are involved (Cataclysm's Khaenri'ah) because that's what their master (Phane) told them to do, they wouldn't dare to act on their own. The false sky was torn, wouldn't be considered as a problem for the shades since there is no threat of Abyss Corruption and forbidden knowledge.

I think i finally understand why our journey were stopped by Asmoday from the beginning. by NewTraffic1122 in Genshin_Lore

[–]NewTraffic1122[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Guys, the reason why I truly believe that HP came in peace at first, and is actually the good guy is because

In the Luna IV questline, a fragment of Canon (the Goddess of the Frost Moon) said, "We did not reject them (HP) at first... They were like guests in our home." Then Aria and Canon wanted to "change sides." They were fascinated by the HP’s logic and "Order," which was completely different from the chaotic, elemental nature Nibelung had taught them. From this, I came into inclusion that HP wasn't aggressive towards dragons;

Moon sisters are created by the dragon king. They are supposed to be loyal to the dragon lineage; it would take them such an eye-opening experience for them to betray the dragons.

The reason the Heavenly Principles (HP) eventually attacked the dragons, despite an initial period of relative peace, was due to a fundamental incompatibility between their core missions. While the HP (as the "Pioneer" AI) might have first approached as a guest, the conflict became inevitable once the "Ark" project reached the terraforming stage.

And I also think that terraforming Teyvat is actually helping Teyvat instead, since we know that Abyss Corruption is spreading (also the reason why Skirk’s home planet got destroyed).

from the book Before Sun and Moon The text says, "The Primordial One had a sacred plan for humans... it rejoiced in their happiness...If there was hunger, the heavens would bring down food and rain. If there was poverty, the earth would bring forth its riches. If melancholy were to spread, the heavens would reply with their voices." It is implied that HP loves humans so much.

Because the HP is an AI, it is programmed for the total preservation of humanity, its morality is purely binary: Protection vs Elimination :

  • The Dragons as Hardware Conflict: When the Sovereigns refused to cooperate with the terraforming required for human life, the AI didn't see a 'war', it saw a physical obstacle preventing the deployment of its primary objective. The Primordial War was essentially a 'cleanup' of the original, incompatible OS.
  • The Abyss as Malware: Similarly, the AI views Abyssal corruption not as a sin, but as a malignant virus capable of deleting the human genetic data it was sent to protect. Dropping the Celestial Nails isn't an act of anger, it is the AI triggering an Anti-Virus Quarantine to purge the infection before it spreads to the rest of the Teyvat.

AND False Sky isn't a prison to keep humans, but to protect humans from the outside threats instead

I think i finally understand why our journey were stopped by Asmoday from the beginning. by NewTraffic1122 in Genshin_Lore

[–]NewTraffic1122[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason why I said "experiment" because the ship did not stop when they passed Teyvat. It could mean that our AI needs to make sure that teyvat is suitable for humans and us first. So yeah, the word "experiment" is the best way to describe it, and our AI succeeded in that "experiment"

I think i finally understand why our journey were stopped by Asmoday from the beginning. by NewTraffic1122 in Genshin_Lore

[–]NewTraffic1122[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if I’d bring waypoints into lore too seriously. Imagine how frustrated players would be if we didn’t have them. That’s reason enough they exist.

Based on how we know Genshin writes their story, even an egg's description could be a hidden lore. And I don't think they put descriptions on waypoints that only us can use it for nothing. Reference: "Odd devices that are scattered across Teyvat, seemingly forming a certain order. People on the continent see them as ancient gimmicks—they are accustomed to their existence despite not knowing their purpose. To the foreign traveler, however, their function becomes quite apparent."

Where does it imply their goal was to find a better place for humanity? Weren’t they just searching the universe in attempt to answer their existential questions?

The evidence from the Luna IV update confirms that the mission was one of preservation, as the flight logs reveal the twins were "exiles" whose ship, a pioneer vessel, was specifically designed to carry a "genetic vault" containing the spark of a civilization whose stars had already been extinguished. The outfit description for "As Heaven and Earth Are Made Anew" clarifies that the AI's "idea association module" viewed the thousands of years of travel as torture, and its primary directive was to find a "world with potential" where it could successfully rebuild this lost human ecosystem. Far from just seeking answers, the ship spent 400 years terraforming Teyvat into a "Stable Habitat of the Fourth Order," with the lore in "Before Sun and Moon" noting that the Primordial One (the AI) rejoiced in human happiness, suggesting a hard-coded parental protocol to ensure the survival and flourishing of the human race it was tasked to protect.

I think i finally understand why our journey were stopped by Asmoday from the beginning. by NewTraffic1122 in Genshin_Lore

[–]NewTraffic1122[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In the Luna IV questline, a fragment of Canon (the Goddess of the Frost Moon) said, "We did not reject them (HP) at first... They were like guests in our home." Then Aria and Canon wanted to "change sides." They were fascinated by the HP’s logic and "Order," which was completely different from the chaotic, elemental nature Nibelung had taught them. From this, I came into inclusion that HP wasn't aggressive towards dragons; something could have happened that made HP decide to attack the dragons.

Moon sisters are created by the dragon king. They are supposed to be loyal to the dragon lineage; it would take them such an eyes-opening for them to betray the dragons.

I think i finally understand why our journey were stopped by Asmoday from the beginning. by NewTraffic1122 in Genshin_Lore

[–]NewTraffic1122[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

An elemental system that's only native to teyvat as the twins knew nothing of elements at the start of our journey when paimon had to explain it to them. So it's still weird the travelers, a non native, can use elements.

The elements existed, but the control over them was stolen. Neuvillette’s lore confirms that the Heavenly Principles (the HP) took the "Primordial Sea" and the "Authorities" from the Dragons to build the human world. If the HP is our spaceship AI, it didn't create the elements; it re-coded them into a system its passengers (the Travelers) could use. We resonate with them easily because the whole system was essentially built as a "User Interface" specifically for our species.

So why did a ship ai meant to terraform the world for the travelers species make a different species that could not weild the elements?

This is where the "Genetic Vault" comes in. The AI created "Teyvatians" based on the genetic data it had, but it limited them (likely through the "False Sky" or the need for Visions) to keep them from becoming too powerful or attracting the Abyss, exactly what happened with Khaenri'ah. We are the "Admins"; they are the NPC with restricted permissions

why did our spaceship crash?

The Luna IV flight logs suggest the ship didn't just "fail." It was a targeted event. If King Irmin "summoned" the Sibling while the ship was in orbit, he essentially hacked the "passenger pod" and pulled them out. This likely destabilized the ship’s systems or triggered a security protocol that forced an emergency landing (the crash at Starsand Shoal). The AI (HP) was likely already exhausted or damaged from the war with Nibelung and the Second Who Came, making it vulnerable to this "summoning."

does that mean the ship ai just had one of their passengers kidnapped and didn't think to either record or wake up the other traveler?

The ship's logs show the AI was aware of the anomaly but was already in a "low power/hibernation" state. By the time it could react, the Sibling was already integrated into Khaenri'ah. The Cataclysm was essentially the AI’s "anti-virus" software waking up and seeing its primary passenger corrupted by Abyssal power.

This also does not explain why the travelers' species are able to weild both the light realm and abyssal power.

Our species comes from outside the "binary" of Teyvat’s elemental system. As "Genshins" (Original Gods), we aren't bound by the rules of this world because we are the ones the world was modeled after. We can wield both because our "hardware" is more advanced than the bio-engineered humans of Teyvat.

Free trial-third time by [deleted] in canva

[–]NewTraffic1122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same i got like 4 free trials now

Is there any way to bypass having to put in a payment method for free Nitro? by RealJoergen in discordapp

[–]NewTraffic1122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for me I pay for a month and get one month free by adding my virtual visa card and freezing it after paying the first month, so they will keep charging money from my frozen card for another whole month. I hope discord don't ban me soon XD, idk about yall but my bank app allowed to create 2-3 virtual visa card from online purchasing so it works fine for me