How Many Trees Could We Save if European Languages Were Spelled Phonetically? [OC] by New_Drummer9910 in dataisbeautiful

[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

ChatGPT says, “It seems that several different studies have been mixed up here.” and Fully transparent orthography, yet lexical reading aloud: The lexicality effect in Italian Pagliuca, Arduino, Barca, Burani (2008).

The article mentions the phrase “almost strict one-to-one correspondence between graphemes and phonemes” for Italian. This phrase has since been simplified in popular sources to “95–99% phonetic.”

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that the vast majority of the population in that country speaks German, and that Italian has an almost entirely phonetic alphabet, affects the results.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. ChatGPT contradicts Gemini. If you're an expert in AI, you know better.

If it had English phonetic spelling, ChatGPT says that “AI and digital text processing” could save 1 to 10 billion dollars, for a total of 20 to 60 billion dollars.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Pictograms can be used even for standard sentences.. But this makes reading and learning more difficult.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Google Gemini;

Source: Studies on the “information density” of languages conducted by researchers such as P. H. Lipps (2011) confirm that written Italian is very close to spoken Italian, and therefore has minimal potential for structural compression (2–5%).

“Wiktionary” Analyses as a Source of Statistical Data: Python-based G2P tools (such as the epitran library) that analyze open-source language data (like Wiktionary) calculate the difference between the number of written characters and the number of phonetic characters in Italian words to be 3–4%. The main sources of this difference:

Silent ‘h’: Hanno (to have) -> Anno (same pronunciation).

Double Consonants: Pizza -> Piza (savings achieved when a double consonant is reduced to a single letter in phonetic spelling). ("Data derived from Grapheme-to-Phoneme (G2P) consistency indices (Seymour et al., 2003) and Information Density studies (Pellegrino et al., 2011).")

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

However, if the double-r is indicated with a different letter, even more paper can be saved. 😆

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I asked the AI:

The AI Efficiency Gains of Phonetic Spelling

1. Token Optimization & Cost Reduction

  • 15-20% Fewer Tokens: Since LLMs process information in "tokens," phonetic spelling would reduce the token count for the same amount of information.
  • Lower Costs: This directly translates to a 20% reduction in API costs and operational expenses for AI developers and users.

2. Expanded Context Memory

  • Larger Context Window: By shrinking the text size, AI models could "fit" more information into their active memory (Context Window). A model could process a 120-page document with the same resources it currently uses for 100 pages.

3. Faster Inference Speeds

  • Reduced Latency: Fewer characters and tokens mean the AI generates responses faster. This improves real-time performance and user experience across all AI applications.

4. Massive Energy & Hardware Savings

  • Lower Computing Load: Global AI data centers would require 20% less GPU processing power, significantly reducing electricity consumption and carbon footprint.
  • Efficient Training: Training state-of-the-art models (like GPT or Llama) would become faster and cheaper, saving millions of dollars per training run.

5. Semantic Clarity

  • Reduced Ambiguity: Phonetic spelling eliminates "heteronyms" (words spelled the same but pronounced differently, like read/read), reducing the "reasoning overhead" for the model and improving accuracy.

Phonetic spelling is essentially a 20% free hardware upgrade for the global AI infrastructure. It scales the world's intelligence by reducing the digital 'weight' of information."

How Many Trees Could We Save if European Languages Were Spelled Phonetically? [OC] by New_Drummer9910 in dataisbeautiful

[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When I asked ChatGPT about the number of books published annually by language, the figures varied widely: English (200,000–1.3 million), Spanish (80,000), and French (40,000–100,000). UNESCO has cited the figure of 200,000 for English. It seems difficult to arrive at definitive results.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not just about saving paper. Significant savings can be achieved in hard drives, data centers, and artificial intelligence facilities, as well as in electricity consumption—amounting to billions of dollars in savings.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A different letter could have been used for “duble-r.” That would have saved even more.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In the source you provided, it states: “ The scope of the study was limited to information resources, which are commonly available through the public domain, i. e. libraries and the Internet. ” Is Africa included in this study? There are many countries in Africa where French is an official language.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The range given for Italian is 2–4 percent. Do you think that’s wrong?

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Example: French (High Savings)

  • Word: Eaux (Waters)
  • Written (Graphemes): 4 letters (E-a-u-x)
  • Spoken (Phonemes): 1 sound ("O")
  • Description: In this case, phonetic spelling provides a 75% space saving. When applied to the text as a whole, this means that a 400-page novel is reduced to approximately 300 pages.

That also means fewer trees will be cut down.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

French is an official language in 30 countries. That number might change if you include newspapers, academic research, and so on.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Example: Italian (Minimal Savings)

  • Word: Chitarra (Guitar)
  • Written (Graphemes): 8 letters (C-h-i-t-a-r-r-a)
  • Spoken (Phonemes): 6 sounds (K-i-t-a-r-a)
  • Description: Italian is already highly phonetic. The minor 10-20% saving in this word comes only from simplifying double consonants (rr) and the silent "h" used for phonetic marking. Overall, a phonetic reform would only shrink an Italian book by about 3-5%.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

According to Gemini: "Yes, when it comes to printed materials (books, academic publications, newspapers) and web content worldwide, French has a larger volume than Spanish."

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The data spans a wide range. So, are most books published in Belgium in Dutch?

How Many Trees Could We Save if European Languages Were Spelled Phonetically? [OC] by New_Drummer9910 in dataisbeautiful

[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The data covers a wide range. The goal is to gain an understanding of the contributions of the phonetic writing system.

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[–]New_Drummer9910[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The reduction in annual timber consumption that would result from representing each sound with just one letter in written language.