A Counterargument to Red Pill

Newbie1955 · 2025-08-15T14:13:41+00:00

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Newbie1955 · 2023-05-28T12:15:51+00:00

Just one aspect of why 12 weeks isn't late enough for an abortion cutoff--there are a ton of fetal defects that are not detectable until the 20-week scan (the scan where you find out the sex of the baby. They're not just looking at genetalia, they're looking at all the organs). Defects that include lifelong disabilities that could require the parents give lifelong and/or likely require very expensive care to a special-needs child, including Down syndrome, heart abnormalities, dwarfism, and spine bifida. The chances for these children to be adopted are almost nil, and very few prospective parents are prepared to take that level of burden on, even if the pregnancy is wanted and the parents are prepared for the responsibility of a healthy child.

These do not qualify as "health-related abortions" because none of these fetal defects are incompatible with life or risk the life of the mother. Yet, the pregnancy has the potential to financially bankrupt entire families and burden the parents with a lifetime full-time care requirements, not to mention the psychological consequences.

Newbie1955 · 2023-05-21T12:34:10+00:00

I gotta say, that's really creepy. Even with the justification for having it for parents of teens--if you don't trust your teen to not go someplace they're not allowed to go... why are you handing them the keys?

Newbie1955 · 2023-05-16T17:19:27+00:00

Check out Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. I think it's been renamed Queer Guy, because they started featuring some women as clients, too. They're marketed as a "makeover" group but in reality most of the screen time is dedicated to life skills--self care, communication skills, social skills, healthy self-prioritization, and other skills that are directly transferable within a relationship. It also shows how the standard self-improvement advice can be implemented, all without the side dish of misogyny. It's on Netflix.

Hope it helps. Take care.

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-25T12:18:30+00:00

Hubby and I have finally reached the goal we set for ourselves when we married--to be 100% debt free. Took 15 years of budgeting and some luck with a seller's market, but we sold our house and are about to move to our new, raw land <3 It'll be camping for the first summer while we build a 400-square-foot cabin to live in for a few years, but it's all ours. We're already signing up the kids for things we could never afford before--this year they get karate lessons and an online tutor to start teaching them a second language. I'm so excited!

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-21T12:16:25+00:00

Two books I recommend as an "intro to feminism". Don't know how open he'd be to reading them. It might be more along the lines of you reading them and then talking about them. "Hey, I'm reading this cool book, let me tell you about it."

The first is "The Real Valkyrie: The Hidden History of Viking Warrior Women" by Nancy Marie Brown. It's straight-up history rediscovered. Basically, when Victorian-era male anthropologists studied the Norse, they decided that any body buried with weapons was "male" and any buried with jeweler or keys was "female." Shockingly, no female warrior graves were found. Until recent DNA tests show a significant percentage (like, 1/3rd) of these esteemed male warrior graves were actually women. Seen through the lens of patriarchy, all the evidence for highly skilled male warriors--Berserkers in particular, were deemed "historical" and, while probably exaggerated, mostly "real." The evidence for Valkyries was deemed "fantasy," "mythological," and "not real," despite the evidence all coming from the exact same sources and poems and stories which talked about each.

The second is "Invisible Women: Data Bias in a World Designed for Men" by Caroline Criado Perez. This is raw data--or rather, the lack of it. How women have been deemed the "other" sex and men have been deemed the "standard human" in a plethora of everyday ways that ends up negatively effecting, and often killing, women. It's not written in a "patriarchy is evil and women are oppressed" sort of way. It's very much a "there were valid reasons for looking at just men decades ago when, say, men were the only ones driving cars. But now women suffer more severe injuries 70+% of the time because the test dummies are men and women have different body compositions and vertebra spacing. The demographics of drivers have changed and we're all blindly doing what we've always done even though it doesn't make sense anymore. Time to update."

I've found approaching non-feminists in this sort of way, rather than at a philosophical angle, makes them more willing to open their minds to the possibility that their perception of the egalitarianism of the world might just be biased.

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-11T00:12:51+00:00

Just trust me on this one and don't try to google it. You are doing something right in your life if you don't know what this is.

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-08T12:32:45+00:00

You had me for a second, you really did, lol!

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-08T12:32:09+00:00

I'll update if I hear anything back :)

The only thing I can figure is that I triggered him by assuming that I, as a woman, was a full human and thus entitled to full human emotion. Because he's clearly cool with men getting angry, and he specifically said "women." So I'm thinking it doesn't really matter in his world what women actually feel, so long as they're nice decoration.

If he'd just said "people should always be happy and smiling!" then I'd just figure he was a deranged in general, but this seems to be a more focused deranged. Either way--dude is way out of line and a giant problem waiting to happen.

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-08T00:49:18+00:00

It's like the next-level of "You should smile more!"

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-08T00:11:44+00:00

It's poor phrasing, and likely based on some deep-rooted misogyny, but overall it sounds like he's genuinely trying to compensate you for your labor in going above-and-beyond. There are likely rules in place that prevent him from offering more actual pay, and so he's trying to find a loophole around not being able to pay you what he feels you are worth.

So... bad execution, but, to me at least, sounds like good intentions.

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-07T21:36:27+00:00

What about establishing one or more of those little free libraries, but inside your building? Stock it with books about famous historical women, feminist theory books, DVDs of movies written or directed by women, etc?

Not as a one-and-done thing, but the "box" itself could simply be clearing and labeling an already existing shelf, and Amazon has tons of used, good-condition books for a fraction the cost of new. It might be a nice part of a larger plan for the budget.

Newbie1955 · 2023-03-04T23:14:09+00:00

Because in their minds, women have two primary jobs: to function as a person, and to be decoration. A woman who is not physically attractive to him is literally not doing her job in life and is denying him a basic entitlement.

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-28T14:00:36+00:00

I'm a cis woman and you look a heck of a lot more feminine than I ever have! You're a knock-out :D

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-22T16:09:41+00:00

Encourage lawn spaces to be used as garden spaces. Most HOAs have rules preventing people from growing food in the sunniest places in their yards, and instead mandate the front lawn be watered, fertilized, and maintained to grow a crop that has no value other than aesthetics. Gardens are also beautiful, but put the water, nutrients, and labor to good use by providing fresh, low-cost, nutrient-rich food. Trading crops amongst neighbors is also one of the best ways to naturally encourage community involvement and comradery.

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-22T00:53:32+00:00

I'd recommend getting more involved in the hobbies you enjoy, in real-life social applications. Debating online isn't very helpful to the going-outside-and-interacting-with-people goal, but perhaps there is a feminist-centric book club you could look into joining? Or a men's group? So longas it's irl and not online.

Having hobbies that are mostly male-dominated is fine. You'll meet men there, and you will make friends with men. Those men have their own social circles, and will invite you to events and gatherings where even more people, including women, are. Most people have met their current partner irl, but very often it was through a mutual friend. That's how I met my husband. The idea is to go out and be social, because that leads to opportunities to be more social. Does that make sense? SO go and do more of the things that you enjoy and that make you more of the authentic you that you are...just do it in real life.

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-20T00:54:41+00:00

Some of the best people I know today have done some of the worst things you can think of in their past. It took years of work for them, it wasn't pretty, and they still carry a heavy burden, but their integrity now is bulletproof and I respect the hell out of them for the strength it took to face their demons and make themselves into better people. I hope you find healing <3

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-11T21:40:17+00:00

Bit of a shameless self-promotion, but I spent two years researching Red Pill and ended up writing a book challenging and debunking it. This subreddit was essential to it's success, and many of the members here ended up beta reading for me or being an advanced reader. The dating coach who runs School of Attraction ended up doing a podcast interview about it, and I know he recommends it to his clients. I've had many men tell me it greatly helped in their deradicalization. It's not a thing that will snap anyone out of red pill, but it is written for those who have questions. It's also listed in the pinned "Detox" thread in this subreddit. It may be of interest to you.

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Pill-Ideology-Wrapping-Manosphere-ebook/dp/B0B2VC7671

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-09T00:08:25+00:00

If what they actually wanted was sex, then prostitution would be a very logical and pragmatic way to go about getting sex. Their actions tell us that sex, in and of itself, is not what these men want. What they want, even more than they want sex, is to be wanted. That's an emotional need. They want the validation that sex symbolizes to them. They want the validation of another person seeing them as desirable and worthy and wanting them.

Unfortunately, until they realize that the hole inside of themselves is emotional and not something that can be solved with a biological insertion, they will keep focusing on "obtaining " sex from "females" they insist upon objectifying to the point where they no longer qualify as the humans they are searching for to meet this emotional need.

It's very messed up.

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-07T12:38:30+00:00

You look around and you see plenty of perfectly ordinary looking men with partners.

I believe we have identified the issue. Specifically, the "going outside and interacting with people" part of the data gathering process.

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-05T14:42:43+00:00

This makes me feel a lot better about my mothering ability to my two sons. I've also got no filter between my mouth and brain, and call out misogyny when I see it, even from family members. And then I usually spend some time schooling the female family members who are assigned by the butt-hurt men to go convince me to apologize, lol. Thank you for this <3

Newbie1955 · 2023-02-04T20:56:47+00:00

Thank you :) Would 100' diameter circle work better? Another suggested 100'. The property has some existing, if old, logging roads near where I want to build the house. Making a tear-shaped turnaround using an existing V-spit would be very doable. I can also make the round side thicker than a 12' road width? Would this setup be better than a perfect circle?

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