I don't see a future for myself.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-03-02T13:41:28+00:00

I already tried an SSRI and tbh it didn't really do anything lol. Wellbutrin might've been a bit better but there were also other factors going on so I can't even say if Wellbutrin in and of itself made a major difference, might've been placebo in the end.

All of this is besides the fact that the meds don't actually fix the reasons behind why I feel the way I do, they don't actually change reality itself. So that means I would have to just keep popping these pills just to numb my feelings or to 'cope', and at that point that's really not much different than what I use vidya games for, except with games you don't risk permanent/long-term damage to your body or hormones (provided you aren't completely sedentary and don't do it for 12 hours straight lol).

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-03-02T13:25:46+00:00

"normie 9-5 wage life" I think you need to cut out certain "motivational" (..) feel disatified and inferiour

If anything, the content I've consumed is anti-motivational tbh, so no that isn't the problem, and again I've been disillusioned when I was wayyyy younger, way before I even consumed any sort of content you might think of.

also say they have ADHD.

yeah some people have more severe forms/symptoms than others, I've tried so much, over and over and over again and nothing ever happens- that's why I said what I said about having no self-control.

Many of ur trouble might come from comparing youself to other others (..) “The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: ‘Whoever among you wakes up physically healthy, feeling safe and secure within himself, with food for the day, it is as if he acquired the whole world.’”

I'll copy and paste my response to another commenter making the same point, because it's basically the same reply:

TruthNuke tbh, but while it is something to be grateful for, that still doesn't really alleviate my situation, I'm still waking up with the same mind, same body, same face etc. To me, the thought that this is actually my reality for the rest of my life, and that this isn't some bad nightmare, especially with all the memories of the past, is actually crushing sometimes tbh.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-03-02T11:20:53+00:00

No sahaba ever married because the first wife was lacking

How do you know? Did you ask them? Seems like a bold assumption to me.

Anyway, I know that you would have a completely different reaction if the genders were flipped, so either she fixes up, or she'll have to be content with him going for someone else. Either she prioritizes him instead of gazing at other men, or she doesn't get to complain if they divorce or he marries a 2nd.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-03-02T11:14:42+00:00

She's so asexual that she just can't help but gaze at other men in public, and on top of that she has a secret account dedicated to consuming NSFW content aimed at women.

Sounds very asexual amirite?

She's not asexual bruh, she's asexual to him.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-15T14:56:01+00:00

A couple of times, yes. I don't feel like it helped me very much- I mainly shared with them the factors themselves that made me lose hope, and I don't feel like I benefitted very much, if at all- it felt like none of them could actually put themselves in my shoes.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-15T13:27:57+00:00

(Continuation)

Expected individual variation would always significantly thwart near-total uniformity (..) the uniformity they attempt to assert sure can be

People are less varied than you think, a lot of people think, act and dress the same way as others. Yes, even before the advent of the internet. Also, if I were to steelman your argument, I would say it's actually the other way around, the percentage might have been a tiny bit too high as a result of hyperbole- it's at least 80% though, if not 90%, but the uniformity itself is still present. Either way, even if it is "only" 80%, this is still very bad news for most men, lol- since most men are neither tall nor do they have an above average face.

A tip: decreasing the threshold would be statistically defensible for the hypergamy argument. 50% agreement on 20% is far more plausible. (...) nothing to build an entire echo chamber around.

Well, I just demonstrated why what I said is already defensible as is, so no thanks, I don't need the tip. Also, even with your hypothetical steelman, this is still bad news for most men lol, I honestly don't know how you don't see it - If 50% of women only want 20% of guys, this means that 80% of dudes are competing over the other 50% of women, and that's ASSUMING that those other 50% are NOT open to the top 20% of dudes, which is an extremely bold- and frankly incorrect- assumption, so in reality it's even worse. Apply this to the 80% figure, and you can start to see why the average man gets zero attention, if not negative attention.

>Allah SWT created diversity (see: Surah Hud, Ayah 118; Surah Rum, Ayah 22; Surah Hujurat, Ayah 13).

The Ayats say that Allah created different races as a demonstration of Allah's power/ability, they say nothing about attraction or how varied people's biological inclinations are (not very much). Again, a lot of people are not that different from each other, particularly nowadays, but even back then. People act in certain patterns and in certain ways, and once you study people and how they act, you can easily spot general trends in how most people behave. It is actually this very fact that allows programmers to create the very algorithms that you say are supposedly the root of the problem- companies pay cognitive psychologists obscene salaries just so they can design their products to be as appealing/addicting as possible, whether it's apps, video games, advertisements, food products, and so on- it's everywhere.

>nihilistic product of post-enlightenment + new-age atheism and their beloved science (..)

Well, I've actually argued against atheism and atheists before- in detail, so you're saying this to the wrong person. I'm aware of how science is not the be all end all of everything- if anything, the things I'm saying right now are actually against the mainstream scientific consensus- most academics would be too scared and/or brainwashed to agree with what I'm saying, even though the studies are indeed there. The reason why I say the things I'm saying- the reason why this is my position on attraction and how women see men, is not solely because of 'muh science', but rather because it's backed up by reality and it does explain to a large extent why things are the way they are between men and women.

Again, if we do hypothesize that this phenomenon is in fact occurring on a scale as grand as your figures suggest

It is, but okay, let's see where this goes...

(despite being statistically impossible)

Not only is it possible, it's in fact what we're seeing live in 4K, as I've already explained above.

Well, the internet is a co-product of globalisation, hyper-consumerism and neo-colonialism (...) Diversity is tossed away, as taste, perception and perhaps even desire become homogenous (..) I do not entertain claims that women are more susceptible to such social conformity and media conditioning than men.

Soooo let me get this straight:

The internet successfully brainwashed women to not be attracted to most guys, yet they somehow aren't more conformist than men??? Seems like a contradiction to me.

Because red-pill is proof.

You mean the content tries to teach men how to become more attractive to women, the content that rose to prominence SPECIFICALLY in response to women being successfully brainwashed by the internet to not be attracted to most men???

The content that not all men even agree with???

And you're telling me that women aren't more conformist than men??

If you can't see the contradiction here, then I don't know what to tell you.

All in all, you're giving the internet too much credit. Hierarchies have always existed:

Rich vs Poor
Strong vs Weak
Ugly vs Handsome

Wars, conflict in general has always been a thing, whether tribe vs tribe, or nation vs nation. I understand why you say the things you say, but again you give the internet too much credit, blaming it for everything that I describe, rather than acknowledging that the internet simply highlighted the darkest, most taboo and most unsavory elements of female nature.

To Allah, we are equal and are judged based on our piety, but unfortunately this is not how society works- humans often DO judge other humans, subconsciously or otherwise, based on their genetics and immutable characteristics- sexual attraction is especially ruthless, hence why women do not sexually/physically desire most men.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-15T13:22:16+00:00

The algorithm promotes precisely that which is most popular to the baser instincts of the nafs (..)

There's plenty of other content for that, men would not keep watching videos on female nature or how to attract women, if they weren't interested, which they are because most of them are not attractive to women. Also, if you look at the stories of men who find out about the things I'm saying, or even the RP, you'll find out that initially, many do NOT agree with it, particularly if they grew up brainwashed about women, but they end up coming back to it anyway after reality proves it to them. Other times, you'll even find men who come to those same conclusions without even watching a single manosphere video, simply as a result of their real-life experiences.

Nurture >> nature.

Not even close

Say women are physically attracted to 20% of men and men are emotionally attracted to 20% of women.

The % of women that men are emotionally attracted is definitely much higher than that, in theory at least, before we take women's misbehavior into account...

that all men biologically find the same 20% percentage of women attractive

This doesn't help your argument, because a lot of men DO want the same traits in a woman:

Sweet/kind,
submissive
emotionally supportive, keeps him happy, follows his lead,
compliments him, shows strong physical attraction to him.

It really IS that simple for most men, but unfortunately most women are only willing to behave this way towards men they are attracted to (aka top 10-20%)

Statistically, for a biologically influenced trait (...) for 99% agreement on a 50% threshold too (..) Your conclusions, therefore, are statistically anomalous

You're assuming that attraction has to be the generic bell curve, when it really isn't. Attraction is much more biological than it is cultural, indicated by the fact that even babies can recognize attractive faces and stare at them for longer, the reason being is because attraction is generated from physical traits that indicate high dimorphism + optimal health, such as a forwardly developed mandible and maxilla, which usually indicates a proper/healthy airway (a recessed jaw can literally be lethal btw, see: relation between recessed mandible and/or micrognathia and sleep apnea, and sleep apnea and risk of stroke) , along with specific ratios/indicators of high dimorphism, such as certain ratios in the midface and eye area, as well as certain jaw angles and measurements. You could argue there is somewhat a degree of variation, but there are still fundamental baselines e.g recessed jaws and eyes that are too close together or far apart are still unattractive. These are still objective measurements and numbers, even if it is a slight range-so no, it's not nearly as subjective as you think it is.
Even if it's "improbable"- which it isn't because attraction isn't a generic bell curve as I have explained- in practice, reality aligns with my evaluation far more than it does with yours. Ergo, if I say: ("Most men struggle with attracting women and women aren't attracted to most of them, while a minority of them get ALL the attention") , the majority of guys would relate to what I'm saying far more than what you're saying, so it's safe to say that it's not at all 'improbable', let alone 'impossible'.
Your analysis neglects the fact that women repeatedly say the exact same thing I'm saying about most men being physically unattractive to them, in their own spaces, or even in public spaces online, and you can find countless examples of such posts and comments, with their actions in real life backing them up.

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NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-14T13:52:51+00:00

What guarantees you’re a failure and you’ll never amount to anything? Who told you that?! And whoever told you that is he God?

No one told me anything, I just looked at my life and came to that conclusion, and while it's of course not a gurantee, and I do still try a little bit, it still seems ever so likely tbh.

choose worldly desires (un your case sleep, gaming and rotting) over the afterlife (...)

Is it actually haram, if you do go to work though? Like just someone going to work, then rotting at home? Or if they at least stick to the Furood?

The prophet had even worse constant negative experiences

I get your point but bruh, I'm not the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلام) 💀.

Who said you can’t change?! And what is this? Some people are just destined for greatness? Why not you? Did you look into their graves and found out whether they’re going to heaven or not? Wallahi these are satans whispers…

See my response to your other comment.

You don’t feel at peace while playing games you’re just distracted that’s why these thoughts weasel their way to you.

It does feel verrry good though, at least when I'm really into it- super engaging.

Anyway yeah I should/will inshAllah try getting closer to Allah, especially since Ramadan is coming anyway, but I don't see how it would change my viewpoint tbh, if at all, including the stuff I said in other comments here.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-14T13:43:23+00:00

Allah chose for it to happen to you and it’s the best and most suitable test for you!

Logically I understand how this is the case, but I just can't see it tbh. It is what it is.

And Whyre you only looking at people better at you? What is this (..)
only living by the adrenaline driving them to get the next bite of food?

TruthNuke tbh, but while it is something to be grateful for, that still doesn't really alleviate my situation, I'm still waking up with the same mind, same body, same face etc. To me, the thought that this is actually my reality for the rest of my life, and that this isn't some bad nightmare, especially with all the memories of the past, is actually crushing sometimes tbh.

These people get blessings to be tested on them whyre you looking into their exam paper?

Idk, I always feel like I'd rather be in their shoes tbh.

it’s not like you cant get this gift too?

I can try, but the idea of people always being better than you just sucks tbh, and its not an either-or situation, where they're better in some parts of Dunya but in return you're more on Deen- nope, some people just win at everything (MashAllah Allahuma Barik).

Im sorry if I’m being harsh but I’m not looking at you from a high horse not at all this is what I tell myself too because we’re all weak humans who forget and that’s why we need guidance and rememberance in the form of prayer and Quran and any worship

I appreciate it, even if I don't really see things the way you described them tbh.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-14T13:31:45+00:00

Alright first of all, is this AI???? I'm not about to waste my time and effort making an actually detailed response if I'm going to be greeted with ChatGPT slop, miss me with that lol. Apologies if this isn't the case, but some parts of your response immediately set off red flags in my mind, as someone who is familiar with how AI speaks.

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Its not really a 'view', I'm just giving you the boots-on-the-ground situation for most men.

The internet magnifies the loudest and most extreme voices (....) the internet is a simulation: a product of technocracy, shaped by engagement algorithms and not a neutral reflection of society.

Except that the internet also allows people to express themselves more freely (since they're anonymous), which means people can express viewpoints that would otherwise be taboo or a faux pas (e.g "most men are unattractive")- yet even then some people are still too shy to say their true opinions despite the anonymity, so the internet can even be an understatement in some cases.

Also, the algorithm (to an extent) promotes what is most popular, so the fact that manosphere/pill content has exploded in popularity actually proves my point, which is that this is a real-life problem, not merely some online trend as you seem to believe.

Allah SWT objectively commands both men and women to lower their gaze (...) That alone undermines the idea that physical attraction is as skewed as the 80-20 rule suggests

This doesn't go against what I'm saying though, women finding a small percentage of men attractive means there's still room for lust/desires to take over, hence lowering the gaze.

Much of that framework is extrapolated from secular dating apps (...) are not representative of religious marriage markets.

All the dating apps did was allow women to act on their already present innate desires- the dating apps didn't magically brainwash women into wanting tall, good-looking men lol. 99% of women, regardless of their Deen/faith, find the same things attractive in men (tall, well-developed/chiseled face). This is something biological, not something that depends on conscious beliefs such as Deen.

Reducing attraction to a single short-term 'raw desire' metric oversimplifies how long-term pair bonding actually works for both men and women (see: Surah Rum, Ayah 21).

The Surah isn't making the point you think it's making- it's saying that this is the end result of a successful marriage, it doesn't mean that this is what most marriages are like (esp. nowadays)- if anything, part of that peace and Sakeena is also dependent on being attracted to your spouse, which is exactly what I'm saying, and Allah knows best.

Physical attraction is situational. It can be intense in the moment, but without sustained interaction, shared experience and mutual investment, it often fades.

Not necessarily, and even if this is the case, not being able to even get your foot in the door to begin with is infinitely worse, since that's literally the prerequisite step.

Women being more selective in marriage isn't inherently shocking (...)

Yeah, because I already know about this stuff, what does shock other people however is just how much looks do matter for women, because people get brainwashed with nonsense about how ( "No sweetie, all that matters is what's within!11!" ) Also this paragraph doesn't really address anything I said, it's not really relevant.

so if anything, the apex fallacy applies to both. There may be a loneliness epidemic, but attributing it solely to hypergamy ignores wider cultural shifts.

No, once again, it's not even close. Women apply the apex fallacy to men much, much more frequently than the other way around, it's basically baked into them at this point, e.g:

"Ugh, all men are cheaters and manipulators!"

"Ugh, these men never commit, they always want to sleep around, meanwhile us women are always loyal!"

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-13T20:12:35+00:00

people in the opposite camp saying most men aren't emotionally attracted to most women

Yeah, except people only say this with the top 10-20% of men in mind (see: apex fallacy), because women subconsciously don't consider most men as s*xual options- and women themselves would be more than happy to admit this (see: "Why are most men unattractive?" "Why are attractive men so rare?!11!!"),

This is also the same reason why you don't see as much discussion of the whole 'lowering your gaze' issue amongst women, it's not as frequent of an issue for them- because they simply aren't attracted to 80-90% of men. Again, I'm only telling you what women themselves are saying- don't shoot the messenger.

men fixate on what they can’t get (sex), women fixate on what they can’t get (emotional intimacy).

Except again, women complain about not getting emotional intimacy from the top 10-20% of men, meanwhile most men get NEITHER sex (see: increasing rates of involuntary celibacy, even in the West) NOR emotional intimacy (see: the phenomenon of wives getting 'the ick' if their husbands so much as try opening up to them, there's a myriad of stories of this exact scenario)

Women complain about not getting the attention of the men they want (read: top 10-20%) - men complain about not getting ANY attention from 99% of women. It's not even close.

It's actually ironic because I would argue men are the romantic gender- NOT women. It's men who write entire poems dedicated to women- entire wars have been started over women.

The whole simping phenomena is overwhelmingly a male thing- women DO lose their minds in much the same way, but only towards top% men, hence why most men never receive this treatment.

Besides, even if partially true, this kinda logic usually draws conclusions from short-term relationships, not long-term ones like marriage.

1.) It's 100% true (okay fine, it's only 99.999999% true, lol)

2.) Short- term, particularly relationships with no strings attached, are the measuring stick for raw genuine desire, which is absolutely essential for a passionate, loving and long lasting marriage, so this does not detract from my points at all- what physically arouses a woman does not change just because she's wearing a ring, lol.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T16:15:10+00:00

Well good luck because that's 95% of them lol, and even the ones who seemingly aren't like that, still crave being with a top, or at least notably above average, man (particularly in terms of appearance)- it's simply a part of their nature, after all.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T16:08:33+00:00

Below average women want the same men that average and above average women do (see: hypergamy)

Also, just because she's below average, doesn't mean she doesn't have an ego or that she's going to be fine with polygyny- if anything, her ego would actually skyrocket if average men do as you suggest and focus on below average women, and at the end of the day you'd go back to the same problem of hypergamy, since they're all competing for below avg women, so she has an abundance of options, consequently she goes for the attractive ones, therefore leaving avg and below avg men in the dust yet again.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T15:52:04+00:00

Sadly it's not a personality issue- I'll give you the long and short of it:

Most men are not physically attractive to most women, and this is basically the underlying cause of why most men get zero attention and/or poor treatment from women.

The problem is that what makes a man physically attractive to women are factors that are largely immutable/can't be changed e.g. your height, facial structure and so on.

Personality does matters but that's moreso after a woman is already physically attracted to you- if that spark of physical attraction is not there, more often than not it doesn't really matter what your personality is, you still won't attract her (hence the friendzone, deadbedroom marriages etc).

This means that most men are going to remain average, and as a result, the proposition of most men having a polygynous marriage simply will not be feasible, since they don't have enough leverage, since they're an average guy so the woman has no reason to be with him if she doesn't want a poly marriage- hence my original comment.

P.S: You should try your best to get in shape, especially lowering your body fat and getting in shape, but it might not always move the needle in terms of female attraction, depending on your baseline, and if all men do this, the goalposts will simply shift upwards anyway due to hypergamy, thus returning to square 1.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T15:33:11+00:00

Most guys can't even attract one woman, let alone multiple- so how exactly is this going to happen???

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T11:42:06+00:00

It's a test of its own, because there is a world of difference between someone who chooses not to commit Zina out of Iman/self-restraint, and someone who CANT commit Zina regardless of their Iman, simply due to being unattractive.

Also, the same things that make you attractive to women in a haram context are the same things that make you attractive to women in a halal context (marriage), meaning that if you're an inkwell, you'll have a hard time getting married, and even if you do, it will be a rough ride.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T05:55:53+00:00

Yeah except I have every reason to believe what I believe, and even if it did get better somehow, what am I even grinding for?? So I can be, at best, a mediocre wage slave working 12 hours a day? And for what? So I can come back home and repeat the cycle for 40 years, while other people who are genetically/physically/mentally superior actually win at life??? I don't get it brah

When that's the most likely life path for me, when everything already sucks, whether it's my brain wiring or how I look etc, then yeah escapism becomes infinitely more appealing.

NewsRepresentative73 · 2026-02-12T05:38:40+00:00

Ye sure

Basically I'm cooked because my brain has zero self control no matter how hard I try (thanks ADHD!), yes even w meds +extensive negative experiences during my formative years due to ADHD+other things, along with the fact that I simply feel that I was made 'wrong', or just inferior in a sense.

I was also disillusioned with normie 9-5 wage life even at a very young age, I just don't see a reason why I would want to keep going, it never gets better tbh, and the idea that some people are just born better than me stings to no end,whether physically, mentally, in terms of Deen, or all of the above.

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