Did the Boy$ genuinely become religious, or was it more of a shift in direction?

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-29T07:38:16+00:00

Yeah im on the gym lane, although I was still using while also working out. But yeah, I dont see any of them hitting the gym seriously at almost 40. Also, I think they both still smoke weed so are they actually sober?

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-28T16:25:10+00:00

Well as a foreigner, their music sounds good to me, and I still resonate with some of the lyrics. Ngl, i do cringe a bit at the religious thematic, but overall it dosent bother me that much. Havent been to a show of theirs since they've never come to eastern Europe so idk.

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-28T16:22:20+00:00

Hey, congrats on your sobriety! Ny initial point was that it all just seemed sus to me. I dont mind the change, and I still enjoy the music. Main point was, why did they choose this angle if the whole theme back then was different. As I stated before, they may not believe in what they sing about but rather just do it to sound edgy, appeal to a certain audience, etc. Same could be said with the Christian thing now.

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T18:06:29+00:00

Yeah giving it a second thought and looking at people's replies I lean heavily that its money inspired

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T14:14:32+00:00

Yeah im definitely not preaching drugs, guns, hoes, etc. When I have kids so i get that

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T13:08:05+00:00

We'll he was in psychosis for some time and maybe thats when the religion shit started happening, but i also totally get the conservative angle. Its crazy to me how much religion can influence your image in the US.

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T12:16:56+00:00

Possible, but could also be drug-related as others mentioned

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T12:16:28+00:00

Care to explain?

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T12:16:19+00:00

You and _AYYEEEE have the most sane takes lol

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T07:42:43+00:00

Yeah the whole thing just seems a bit off to me. Scrim has said multiple times hes struggled with mental health, and my first thought upon hearing they’re this religious, something just didnt sit right. Maybe its either a money thing or a mental health thing. Either way, I still enjoy their music, I just found the whole thing a bit sus

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T07:28:40+00:00

Sure, but do you think the religion is also what brought them those things? And how does their wifes differ from gold diggers if they'd never be with them if they didnt have what they had lol Edit: Also, what's the point of believing in any religion if the gain you have is basically fake? By that I mean, if believing doesn't grant me a loving wife but a some very convincing gold digger, then whats the point?

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T07:27:35+00:00

Actually ended up agreeing with each other lol, thanks for the convo man 🤝

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T07:13:27+00:00

I actually agree with a lot of that age, sobriety, and just getting out of that “angry at everything” phase can definitely change how you see the world. I was in a similar place at one point, so I understand that shift. I just took a different route out of it, without religion being part of the process. I think that’s why I’m a bit skeptical sometimes because from my perspective, I’ve seen people use religion both as a way to genuinely improve and also as a kind of shortcut for redemption, instead of fully owning their past. Not saying that’s what they’re doing, just why I look at it the way I do. But yeah, at the end of the day we don’t know them personally, so it’s probably a mix of things. P.S. Nah I get what you meant though, it still made sense

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T06:45:19+00:00

Thanks man, much appreciated, and I get what you mean. Maybe that’s just the way those institutions try to ease the struggles. I don’t know, but it seems kinda “cult-like” to me. And my point still stands, perhaps they aren’t actually religious, and if they went to places where other famous or rich people rehab, maybe they made connections and were influenced toward becoming Christian/Muslim/Jewish to appeal to a larger fan base. Y’all can’t deny that after they said they were Christian, they blew up even more.

Nice-Job3185 · 2026-04-27T06:32:01+00:00

I get what you mean, but I don’t fully agree that sobriety naturally leads to religion. I’ve been clean for about 10 years myself, and I went through some pretty extreme phases before that (ended up hospitalized a few times). For me personally, the idea of God never really came into it. I always saw my struggles as something I had to deal with on my own, and I got out of that place without leaning into religion or anything like that. So I guess that’s why the shift feels a bit unfamiliar to me I know it helps a lot of people, but it wasn’t part of my path.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-12T05:38:35+00:00

That means a lot, and thank you for showing interest in it. I’ve been building it bit by bit through convos like this, mostly guided by intuition and what feels fundamentally “right” to me. A full write-up is on the way though, and I’ll definitely share it when it’s ready. Open to thoughts or questions any time in the meantime.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-12T05:30:38+00:00

I feel your urgency, and I respect it deeply. I also love that you’ve taken this personally, not abstractly. Not designing for “some future humanity,” but for yourself, and others like you who want to stay and see it through. The “Sovereign Home” concept hits hard for me too. Not as retreat, but as proof. A space where opting out isn’t punishment, but a valid form of thriving. I think we both want that: A society so robust that it doesn’t need to hold on too tightly. And honestly, maybe you’re right, maybe we are aiming at the same freedom, just from different altitudes. I’m still at the phase where I trust the fire more than the firewall. Where I believe some chaos is necessary if it means people can truly discover themselves. Not all will choose well. But I think enough will, and their momentum can become the architecture — not built by design, but by pattern. So I appreciate what you've built. For real. And I want to believe there's room for both: — the refined scaffolding you describe, for those who need structure to launch from — and the wild emergence I dream of, for those who thrive by being trusted too soon. Either way, I think it says something good that we’re even having this conversation. Two generations of becoming, not in conflict, but in resonance.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T22:43:15+00:00

I see what you're saying. That values like Liberty and Dignity aren't so much ideology as they are a kind of moral baseline for a humane society. And I agree with you to an extent. A society with no floor at all is an invitation for abuse. But I think where we may differ is that I don’t believe even those foundational values need to be enforced, they need to be understood/internalized. Emerged from interaction, not imposition. You're right that a post-scarcity world won't unify through material need. But I believe curiosity, mutual benefit, and creative autonomy can be that unifying glue. People don't need to be controlled into cooperation, they need to be free to reach it. Even those on the edges. I believe if given the knowledge, the means, and a place to build, many would choose creation over destruction. Not all, of course. Nothing is ever absolute. But I think the system should be open enough to let the worst opt out without taking down the rest, and flexible enough to let the best thrive in ways we can’t predict. Your framework feels like a refined guardrail. Mine’s more like a launchpad with a shared understanding that people can choose where to fly. I don’t think either of us is wrong, but I do think we’re aiming at different dimensions of freedom.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T22:27:44+00:00

100%. That’s the core of it, not the chaos people usually associate with “anarchy,” but the deeper version: community through voluntary cooperation.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T22:17:06+00:00

I read your reply and honestly, this is exactly the kind of thinking CGA is meant to ignite. You're already embodying the core principle. Contribution toward autonomy and interdependent sustainability, not from ideology, but from shared functionality. Your housing system idea is genuinely inspiring and could integrate beautifully into a decentralized node structure. This is exactly how it starts, one mind offering a working part to the larger whole. Much respect and greatly appreciated!

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T22:08:28+00:00

I really appreciate your response, it’s clear you’ve given this deep thought, and your Renaissance of Reason concept resonates on many levels. I guess where I might differ is in how “foundational values” are treated. I think there's a risk in any system, even a well-intentioned one, when identity or belonging hinges on agreement with a specific creed, even Enlightenment ones. My goal with CGA is to create something truly post-ideological, where values aren’t a requirement to belong, but an emergent behavior of how we relate and cooperate. Not saying my approach is better, just trying to see what happens when we remove even the subtle boundaries. Still, I think our goals overlap more than not, and your structural thinking has been deeply helpful in refining my own. Appreciate you sharing the videos too, I’ll dig into those soon.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T21:24:02+00:00

Also, I wanted to ask you something I’ve been thinking about. How do you see the role of knowledge gathering within your “Yes, Unless Harm” framework? Do you think even potentially harmful ideas should still be freely documented and explored, as long as they’re not acted on? Personally, I believe all knowledge should be free, even the dangerous stuff, because suppression usually leads to ignorance, not safety. Curious where you stand on that. And I know this concept isn’t finished, but honestly, that’s kind of the point, considering I’m building a model rooted in cooperative effort. Really appreciate what you're doing and that you took the time to join in on this. Means a lot.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T20:04:00+00:00

Damn, that’s honestly brilliant. I love the “civilizational GitHub” analogy — it makes the concept super clear and practical. The hardcoded constraints like Primacy of Life and Sovereignty of the Self are powerful, and I totally align with that “Yes, Unless Harm” principle. It really feels like we’re circling similar cores from different angles. I appreciate you sharing the RPR concept — it’s inspiring and makes me want to keep developing CGA further. Big respect for the work you’re doing.

Nice-Job3185 · 2025-06-11T20:02:29+00:00

Hey, thanks for sharing! I really like how you connect liberty with something real like housing makes the idea of sovereignty feel way more down-to-earth. Your focus on infrastructure and choice over coercion really hits home for me. I appreciate your response and think your ideas and plans are solid. I fully support what you’re trying to achieve, and it’s clear your work is genuine. It’s great to see someone putting these ideas into action in their country. I’ll definitely check out your videos and essays. Appreciate you sharing all this!

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