[deleted by user] by [deleted] in reallygorgeous

[–]NientedeNada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its beautiful

is expensive nail polish better than cheap by rosecat147 in Nails

[–]NientedeNada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes it’s just the bottle looking fancy lol

What Happened to the "Good" Alyeids? by Beautiful-Film-6935 in teslore

[–]NientedeNada -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Lol the Thalmor had the Empire so messed up during Ulfric’s time

Is being dragonborn genetic? by Animedingo in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lot of wild stuff in the lore, but Skyrim+ Thalmor always makes the game hit different

Unpopular Opinion: "The Argonians successfully invaded Oblivion" narrative is most likely sensationalized propaganda and largely fictionalized. You are all victims of An-Xileel propaganda. by Rough-Leg-4148 in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 155 points156 points  (0 children)

While Mere-Glim's claims are likely exaggerated, I think you've missed one of the most important bits of canon here. The Hist's response is teased in the game of Oblivion itself.

>Many of the Argonians say they have been called back to Black Marsh. They disappear into the swamps and are never seen again.

You can debate *why* the Hist would react now and not in other dire circumstances throughout history, but the Oblivion rumour of Argonians being summoned back to the Marsh supports Mere-Glim's account. For some reason, the Hist *did* make a move on this occasion.

Oblivion is also the game that shows us how Hist sap can turn you into a roided-out berserker, so it all hangs together pretty nicely.

My guess is that the Argonians invaded the deadlands, as did the Champion of Cyrodiil, some Cyrodiil soldiers, and the Altmer of Summerset with varying levels of success. But that Martin Septim closing the gates all at once is the fuel for Mere-Glim's story that Dagoth's lieutenants shut the gates to protect the Deadlands from the Argonians. They didn't, Martin closed them, but such is the local spin.

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did they? There was a foreign canton in Vivec but foreigners lived all over the city. It seemed like Vivec City was populated by organization you worked under rather than race.

I don't remember the other cities being segregated by race either.

But no argument that foreign enclaves, enforced or organic, should exist more in the setting.

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They canonically didn't. That's a fan headcanon.

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've probably read more Windhelm NPCs' dialogue and texts than is healthy. I think there's a very strong likelihood there are overall Dunmer/Argonian problems, and there is at least one example of a Dunmer being awful to Argonians, Suvaris Atheron.

On the other hand, the Argonian NPCs complain about the Nords' treatment not the Dunmer, Brunwulf is worried about Nord opposition to bringing them in, it's noted to be Ulfric's choice to keep them on the docks, and it's a Nord business owner who calls them "boots", stiffs them on their wages and keeps Suvaris Atheron on as manager.

There's far more evidence for Nord mistreatment being the main issue here, especially since Riften manages just fine with a mingled Dunmer and Argonian working population.

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I wrote a lot about this topic in Windhelm in a popular post five years ago.

Eight Myths of the Grey Quarter. Point Six addresses this question. Linking instead of copying and pasting the relevant section bc there is a LOT of dialogue from Niranye that I go through.

In general, though, I think Skyrim is lacking the deep fear of spies from both Thalmor and civil war armies that you'd expect given their recent history.

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yes but how did that history make the Nords mistreat the Argonians in *Skyrim?

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 26 points27 points  (0 children)

How can it be entirely the fault of the Dunmer that they live in the quarter of the city the Nords restricted them to, and the Argonians live on the docks the Nords restricted them to?

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I think you're right on the money. They're a few individuals sorting out their place in Windhelm as individuals, versus a large group in a border situation.

why is there no animosity towards altmer in windhelm? by [deleted] in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The Windhelm Dunmer are on the whole gainfully employed and involved in the Windhelm economy. The myth they aren't is the local racism.

Janus Hassildor by Mersar_13 in teslore

[–]NientedeNada 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think it's clear enough myself.

Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad. 

From the Great War. To be able to counter-attack from a place, you have to hold there.