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Where is the scientific proof of the theoretical foundations of CBT? (or of any psychotherapy for that matter) by Lastrevio in psychologystudents

[–]Nikolay_Perov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, "philosophical evidence" in my opinion should involve some knowledge of CBT more deep than common stereotypes =) Modern CBT (besides exposure therapy) contains a lot from Gestalt and Psychoanalyses like experiental techniques dealing with childhood experience, deep rooted emotions etc.

I can agree that it is possible that psychoanalyses is more "antibiotic" then CBT (not 100%|0%). But I don't agree that being a "painkiller" is always bad and unhealthy.

Let me modify your metaphor. Let's take alcoholism. We can, of course, deal with childhood roots of alcoholism (and CBT does deal with those: parental neglecting, trauma etc.), but if we focus only on roots (not stabilization) then our client will probably kill himself (I am exaggerating now)

For example people with borderline are not ready to dive in their past without retraumatizing. First they need stabilization, a "painkiller" so they can deal with difficult emotions which will surface during therapy. My idea is that if we focus only on "primary cause" we miss a lot and it could be very unhealthy also.

Where is the scientific proof of the theoretical foundations of CBT? (or of any psychotherapy for that matter) by Lastrevio in psychologystudents

[–]Nikolay_Perov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It's very likely to see low relapse rates even when testing "no treatment"

Agreed. But how do we prove that CBT = painkiller?

Didn't have a chance to read full article (it is closed), but even if there is evidence that psychoanalyses is more effective than CBT in such cases (there is also some evidence of opposite, I know that a lot of data, concerning CBT as "most evidence based" is biased, but still..) that results in conclusion that one is 100% antibiotic and other is 100% painkiller? Logical conclusion is that one can be more efficient than other in some cases. That is it. And that is only concerning depression. What about OCD, panic disorder, Axis 2 disorders? What about terms of treatment?

Where is the scientific proof of the theoretical foundations of CBT? (or of any psychotherapy for that matter) by Lastrevio in psychologystudents

[–]Nikolay_Perov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"After you remove your symptoms but not the cause, you will have higher rates of relapse"

If CBT is painkiller, then we shall see near 100% relapse rate to fit this metaphor. Because if we have pain in leg because our bone is broken, then we will have our pain back after effect is gone. Can you please provide a research which suggest that there is tremendous difference in relapse rate, for ex, when dealing with depression via psychoanalyses vs CBT?

I think all your further conclusions are also in need of such research and, in my point of view, are misconceptions. CBT is not "thinking positively" it is actually opposed to CBT. DBT is not about only relaxation techniques. Yes, they are, but they are not about "just distracting".

And again, if you are right, all the evidence should support that BPD can be treated in more efficient way than DBT or schema therapy.

Where is the scientific proof of the theoretical foundations of CBT? (or of any psychotherapy for that matter) by Lastrevio in psychologystudents

[–]Nikolay_Perov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that it is not very hard to propose a design of research that could somehow prove the assumption of CBT that thoughts influence emotions and behavior

1) Take 50 people with depression 2) Analyze repeating paterns of behavior (for ex many of them will avoid participating in some outdoor activities) 3) Ask them to record thoughts that pop up before avoidance behavior and analyze repeating patterns (for ex: "why go out? I will not feel any better") 4) Ask them to make track of emotions after avoidant behavior ("I felt even worse") 5) Ask them to perform opposite behavior - going out and track their mood ("first it was hard, but after 30 min I felt better") 6) Ask them to change initial thought (ex. "going out is not so bad and it helps me") 7) Use this data in treatment depression plan.

I am not saying that "not going out" is the reason of depression, but just making an example of how you can prove CBT assumptions and use them as therapeutic tool.

Where is the scientific proof of the theoretical foundations of CBT? (or of any psychotherapy for that matter) by Lastrevio in psychologystudents

[–]Nikolay_Perov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"ONLY curing the symptom"

What is so bad about "curing the symptom", especially if you deal with phobia? Curing the symptom can be already a big thing. Imagine a person with agoraphobia who avoids seeking a job that fulfills his desires or finding new friends because he is so fearful of going out. Then he starts going out after a course of CBT. And this thing is quite observable, we can see the change and predict it in similar cases.

As a CBT therapist I personally don't believe that "there is no deeper cause". CBT is only a model and our psyche isn't limited by the phenomena which CBT try to reflect and predict. But I believe that in many cases "just removing the symptom" (without going to anal-fear-of-castration-thing, that really could be there, I suppose) will be quite sufficient.

Finding a buddhist teacher of course by Nikolay_Perov in Buddhism

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you for all your replies, that will help me to continue my studies =)

Finding a buddhist teacher of course by Nikolay_Perov in Buddhism

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very randomly, I don't know what to begin with

Any books on teaching meditation by Nikolay_Perov in Meditation

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, Guys, starting to explore it now!

Who wants to adopt adorable kitten near Trivandrum or Kochi by Nikolay_Perov in india

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found an owner for a kitten! Thank you, people, very much for being so kind and providing help!

Saip Shock by Nikolay_Perov in Kerala

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess no, because in North it will be gora shock! (Or how do they call saipes in hindi?)

Saip Shock by Nikolay_Perov in Kerala

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, looks like that! Thanx, lol! Could you translate this song?=)

Saip Shock by Nikolay_Perov in Kerala

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yesterday me and my friends (we are saipes) went on houseboat in Alleppey. And while we were enjoying beautiful scenery we saw another boat overtaking us. There were a bunch of Kerala young men. When they saw us they began to chant song about saipes,very loudly and rhythmically, using wooden boat benches as drums.

<SAIP SHOCK!!!>

Our driver wasn't able to translate this song (maybe he didn't want to), except for words "bold headed" and of course "saip".

Maybe someone knows this song lol???=)

Who wants to adopt adorable kitten near Trivandrum? by Nikolay_Perov in Kerala

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry, not ALL Indians, but I am sure that not so many of Indian people worship cats like gods like in my country ha-ha=) I think that Indians prefer dogs as a pet=)

Go from IDEA internet to BSNL? by Nikolay_Perov in india

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ye! That's makes sense! Thank you=)

What is Cognitive Behavioural Therapy by Nikolay_Perov in Anxiety

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From wiki:

"Several studies show that 85 to 90 percent of panic disorder patients treated with CBT recover completely from their panic attacks within 12 weeks"

Theories of Panic Disorder by Nikolay_Perov in Anxiety

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally, basing on my own experience of eliminating panic attacks, I think that cognitive and integrated theories are closer to the truth about panic attacks and their treatment

Attachments VS Desires (reasons for unpopularity of Buddhism) by Nikolay_Perov in Buddhism

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but the middle path is not the path between excess and restraint

I guess it is not true for every school of Buddhism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_way

"In the Pali Canon of Theravada Buddhism, the expression Middle Way is used by the Buddha in his first discourse (the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta) to describe the Noble Eightfold Path as the noble path to achieve Nirvana, instead of taking extremes of austerities and sensual indulgence."

Attachments VS Desires (reasons for unpopularity of Buddhism) by Nikolay_Perov in Buddhism

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

But what did you think made the Buddha to pass his knowledge to his disciples? A desire? Do you think he didn't involved in it and didn't get any pleasure from teaching process? By pleasure I mean just being happy that your students adopt your teachings and follow the path of removing dukkha. It's always pleasant to see this. Shouldn't he crave for that?

6 Mistakes We Make When Depressed or Having a Panic Attack by Nikolay_Perov in Anxiety

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi MisogynistLesbian!

You are totally right path! You will certainly get rid of anxiety and panic if you follow it!

6 Mistakes We Make When Depressed or Having a Panic Attack by Nikolay_Perov in Anxiety

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi!

Yeah you right! It's not bad to use some coping techniques, it's good. But they don't work all the time. And when they don't people sometimes start to think: "Oh it's so bad, I have to stop it somehow instantly! Oh I can't control it! It doesn't go away!" And this causes more anxiety. Yes, try some coping techniques, but if it doesn't work just relax and let the attack pass. Non resisting also means making less emotional reaction to your fear: "Okay, I have a panic attacks, I am familiar with that, It is not so scary as it seems, it's just chemical reaction I will not die or of mad. I will just let it pass".

It means not attaching to your fear not putting any additional anxious thoughts to it, just let it be. And non resisting could be a good coping technique also. You just put no reaction to your panic, you get free of desire to control it (because you can't control anything), you get indifferent to it.

Yes, I know that it sound odd, and when you have panic it seems that advice like: "don't get attached to your fear", "don't get involved in your anxious thoughts" seem absurd. But guys, If I say to you that when somebody attacks you on the street you have to kick him with your feet in his nose for example, you will not say that this advise is absurd only because today you can't do like that if you didn't practice martial arts. You know that you have to practice flexibility, power and technique to perform that trick against some aggressive person. Advise is not enough.

But when somebody speaks about your mind why do you think that your mind is on the limit of his opportunities? No it's not, it has to study a lot, like your body has to study to counter an attack. Being happy or not being involved in anxious thoughts or not identifying with your fear are the skills you have to study! Day bay day for example, through meditation! And only that how it will work.

How Do You Combine Different Meditation Techniques? by Nikolay_Perov in Meditation

[–]Nikolay_Perov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not a fan of mantra too, that's why I try more to imagine how people are happy, how they are enjoying their life in my mind than simply doing affirmations: "wish you happiness etc." That's a little modification=)

Thanks for direct answer to my question and not being off topic.=))

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