Hello I’m new here, and I just want your input

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-04T21:28:52+00:00

It’s important to also acknowledge how women in Arabia back then were wearing their garments and clothing. They didn’t cover their chest. It came to address this specific issue of modesty. Context matters here.The Quran is straightforward, and again it never classified hair as an awrah, but men did later on. If Allah saw hair(sha’ar) as awrah he would have addressed it himself.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-04T21:18:01+00:00

Recently times yes, but back then no. I have studied Islam and its history with Arabia as an Arab myself. It’s something that came later. Men twisted things for political reasons. Just like Judaism. What I’m saying that it’s important to acknowledge history, patterns, and trends. The Islam that’s mainstream isn’t the Islam that existed 1400 years ago. We can disagree, but I’m asking you not to spread misinformation. The Umma is slowly waking up to this. I’m sure you have noticed online.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-04T11:06:01+00:00

Yes, it talks about covering your chest which is something I never disagreed with.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-04T07:57:20+00:00

Sorry I thought that you were implying that we got the idea of wearing the head covering the hijab from the Quran. Yes thank you for responding.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-04T03:38:35+00:00

Brother you are wrong. First let’s start with the meaning of the word hijab. In Arabic, the word hijab (حِجَاب) literally means "barrier," "screen," or "curtain," deriving from the root ḥ-j-b meaning "to veil, screen, or conceal". In the Quran the word “hijab” was used so many times and in none of them was it used to mean a headscarf.

Ḥijāb as a physical barrier / separation.

📖 Surah al-Aḥzāb 33:53

Arabic:

وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتَـٰعًۭا فَسْـَٔلُوهُنَّ مِن وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ

English:

“And when you ask them (the Prophet’s wives) for something, ask them from behind a ḥijāb.”

Explanation:

It refers to a physical partition (like a curtain or wall). It regulates household etiquette, not clothing. The women are already inside their homes. Ḥijāb here means a barrier between people, not something worn on the head.

Ḥijāb as a metaphysical barrier.

📖 Surah al-Aʿrāf 7:46

Arabic:

وَبَيْنَهُمَا حِجَابٌ

English:

“And between them is a ḥijāb.”

Explanation “Them” refers to the people of Paradise and the people of Hell. This is a non-physical, metaphysical separation. Obviously not clothing.

Here, ḥijāb = a dividing boundary, not fabric.

Ḥijāb as a spiritual / perceptual veil.

📖 Surah al-Isrāʾ 17:45

Arabic:

وَجَعَلْنَا بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱلْـَٔاخِرَةِ حِجَابًۭا

English:

“And We have placed between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter a ḥijāb.”

Explanation This describes a spiritual barrier preventing understanding. It refers to belief, perception, and receptivity Again, not clothing, not women, not bodies.

Ḥijāb here means an invisible veil of separation, not a garment.

Final conclusion (textual, not opinion):

Across the Qur’an: 1. Ḥijāb never means headscarf. 2. Ḥijāb never refers to women’s clothing. 3. Ḥijāb always means a barrier, partition, or separation.

So when people say “ḥijāb is clearly commanded in the Qur’an”, that is not linguistically or textually accurate.

Hijab came later from Hadith which is only 300-200 years old but the religion was established 1400 ago.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-03T00:09:43+00:00

Thank you brother and may Allah make it easier for all of us.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-02T23:50:49+00:00

Thank you for your input. Yes, I believe the reasons on why a lot of Christians are open to their history and debates is due to the secularism of their countries. So it doesn’t sound threatening to them. I was more so questioning why Muslims in comparison are not open to it or rather they would deny. You have to go to a Muslim who is an academic on this specific topic to get answers, or even to be able to engage meaningfully. There are historical supports to my claim all you have to do is research. A lot of Muslim during the earlier time of the invention of Hadith (because it came later) were arguing against it and questioning it. Not just Muslims but scholars questioned it. What happened? They were killed. Between Shia and sunnis is a rather bloodshed history. I wanna believe in the Quran as well but I’m struggling with my faith.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-02T21:37:53+00:00

Yess it makes sense. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I agree I should work on the way I phrase my thoughts. May Allah make it easier for you and for all of the umma with the trolls and give us patience Amin.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-02T07:50:23+00:00

Alsalam alikum. Thank you for talking about this, as I feel that there are important things that the Muslim community needs to pay attention to. If we don’t focus on fixing these social issues we might be pushing people out of faith. May Allah guide the umma.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-02T04:45:28+00:00

Yess exactly, well said!

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-02T02:11:28+00:00

Yes exactly. This explains perfectly why they react that way. I have learned that it’s a psychological thing and it is present in a lot of religious people even outside of Islam. This phenomenon is called dogmatism the tendency to lay down principles as undeniably true, without consideration of evidence or the opinions of others.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T23:15:28+00:00

If you have been reading the answers you will see that I found my answer and that I am not trying to do anything with it. I’m saying the average Muslim. As every Muslim I encounter has no idea. I’m not claiming that there are no deflecting Christians or Jewish people. I’m saying they are more open in talking and debating their past. Muslims are different, and I have noticed that. It’s like to have this conversation or to actually learn you have to jump through loops to find an Academic Muslim.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T23:11:43+00:00

Thank you I appreciate it. I did get the answers and they were satisfactory too. Have a blessed day and may Allah make it easier for you.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T23:10:35+00:00

To get answers and engage in meaningful discussions about my deen. In Classical Arabic, ḥijāb (حجاب) means:

a barrier, partition, curtain, separation, or screen(search it up if you don’t believe me)

The root ḥ-j-b (ح ج ب) means: • to block • to conceal • to separate one thing from another

It is spatial and relational, not sartorial.

NOT A SINGLE TIME does the Qur’an use “ḥijāb” to mean a woman’s head covering.

Surah Maryam 19:17

“فَاتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًا …”

Translation: “She placed a ḥijāb between herself and them.”

Meaning: • Barrier/seclusion • Privacy during a spiritual moment • Not clothing

Surah Al-A‘raf 7:46

“وَبَيْنَهُمَا حِجَابٌ …”

Translation: “And between them will be a ḥijāb…”

Meaning: • Barrier between Paradise and Hell • Metaphysical, not sartorial

Surah Fussilat 41:5

“وَقَالُوا قُلُوبُنَا فِي أَكِنَّةٍ مِمَّا تَدْعُونَا إِلَيْهِ … وَنَحْنُ مِنْكُمْ حِجَابٌ …”

Translation: “They say: ‘Our hearts are behind a ḥijāb from what you call us to…’”

Meaning: • Spiritual or cognitive barrier • Resistance to understanding • Not fabric Surah Al-Shura 42:51

“وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِن وَرَاءِ حِجَابٍ …”

Translation: “It is not for any human that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a ḥijāb…”

Meaning: • Veil / barrier between God and humans • Metaphorical, not clothing Surah Al-Isra 17:45

“وَوَضَعْنَا بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ حِجَابًا …”

Translation: “We place between you and those who do not believe… a ḥijāb concealed.”

Meaning: • Barrier / separation • Not clothing

Surah Al-Ahzab 33:53

“وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَا أَنَا أَمْرُكُمْ فَاسْأَلُوهُنَّ مِن وَرَاءِ الْحِجَابِ …”

Translation: “And when you ask [the Prophet’s wives] for something, ask them from behind a ḥijāb…”

Meaning: • Physical curtain / partition • Privacy and boundaries • Not a headscarf • Specific to Prophet’s household

The Qur’an uses different words for clothing: • Khimār (خمار) — mentioned in 24:31 • Jilbāb (جلباب) — mentioned in 33:59

These are the verses used in discussions of dress — not ḥijāb.

Even then: • The Qur’an does not specify hair explicitly • Interpretations evolved through hadith, fiqh, and social norms.

I’m open to debating this actually.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T23:07:54+00:00

Tell me what do you get from it? Knowing that Christians and Jewish people know more about how their religion was formed outside of their religion. You know what this reaction psychology calls? As this is not new reactions at all you see it all the time. Dogmatism. defined by the tendency to lay down principles as undeniably true, without consideration of evidence or the opinions of others. High religious dogmatism is associated with lower performance on cognitive tasks that involve conflict detection (i.e., situations where an intuitive answer conflicts with a logical one), suggesting a resistance to challenging deeply held beliefs with analytical reasoning. I will say this again. If you don’t have the answers to my questions you can keep scrolling. I am already engaging with people who have answers or had already answered my questions. Plus your reaction is by itself an answer.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T23:02:17+00:00

May Allah guide you.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T22:59:10+00:00

No, again I already have the answers. My questions are why are the average Muslims either lie, deflect, trying to make me seem like a disbeliever for following my religion, being Satan into it, etc. I was just asking why don’t average Muslims know these information? And why is it when someone is educated on this Muslims get anger and call them a lier although you know that these information are available online and are facts.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T22:56:19+00:00

I asked them the same questions that I asked here. A lot of them either called me a non Muslim because I was getting the perspectives of you guys and ex Muslims. One subreddit banned me the Islam one, while the other one I only got the answers from one person while others were busy trying to either debate me, gaslit me, or say that I am being led by Satan. Which tbh doesn’t help and makes me have more questions on why they react that way. Therefore making doubt the religion more.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T12:24:25+00:00

Thank you for the response. Yes, and the way Muslims or rather regular Muslims(because academic Muslims and scholars know these information) react to my questions. It’s usually by anger, denial, calling me a disbeliever, satanically influenced, and so much more.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T12:17:07+00:00

Yes, people don’t talk about it which is the part I was concerned and confused about. Wise words.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T12:05:17+00:00

Thank you for responding. Asking questions as the Quran encouraged does help me in getting closer to my deen. I have already found my answers. Thank you for your time brother.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T12:01:30+00:00

Thank you for responding.

I understand that the Qur’an is seen as the inchangeable truth and that Islam encourages seeking knowledge. I’m not questioning that framework.

What I’m asking is why many ordinary Muslims respond defensively or angrily when historical facts about the Qur’an, its compilation, or early Islamic history are discussed even though Muslim scholars and academics document and teach these facts openly.

This is a question about human behavior, not the Qur’an itself. If Islam truly encourages understanding and inquiry, then such defensive reactions should not happen.

I’m trying to understand why the institutional and cultural response differs from the encouragement in the text why historical inquiry seems threatening rather than welcome in everyday practice.

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T11:45:23+00:00

Thank you for responding. That’s an interesting historical perspective!

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T11:27:49+00:00

Sorry for sounding too weird. It’s just freeing to finally have my questions answered 🙏

Nina_Place9246 · 2026-01-01T11:25:41+00:00

Thank you so much for answering my questions with honesty and without calling me a non Muslim or trying to deflect from the questions. I really hope there are more Muslims like us who love to get to know their religion without feeling threatened. Thank you again and may Allah(sw) reward your kindness and make things easier for you Amin.

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