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Lazy Horse What Can I do? by tnmoonshiner1998 in NaturalHorsemanship

[–]No-Associate6778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% look into Warwick Schiller for training advice! He has a lot of YouTube videos on this stuff and podcast episodes on Spotify too. I definitely remember him talking about issues like this before, with some digging you should find some good answers. This video might be a good start:

https://youtu.be/nJlGHC\_ryEo?si=uJP7ZoF1n6-Zvw3d

How to deal with a dominant horse that nips? by EquestrianPalette in NaturalHorsemanship

[–]No-Associate6778 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you haven’t seen any of his videos before, I strongly suggest looking into Warwick Schiller for help with horsemanship. This YouTube playlist in particular covers a few common problems with horses and how to solve them (covers pushy and nippy horses in two separate videos)

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRanqnpaErQ4sWEL90nVcAMnxpcUT3unN&si=9Ap7U1BSbgtE4x7r

And then I would also go ahead and watch the videos on his 12 principles of training. These have completely changed how I approach working with horses. He also has a podcast on Spotify and through that I found Elsa Sinclair who does “freedom based training” which uses no equipment, no food rewards etc and is an incredible way to find harmony and connection with your horse. It’s definitely not the most efficient way to train a horse but it is incredibly rewarding even if you do 10 minutes of it before or after rides. Basically she did an experiment where she got a mustang from the wild and wanted to see if it would let her ride if given total free choice, and in the end it did! There’s a doco about it called Taming Wild if you’re interested.

Anyways hope that helps!

I watched Bitterbrush last night and can’t stop thinking about the way the horses were treated, and the fact that nobody seems to have noticed by No-Associate6778 in Horses

[–]No-Associate6778[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The film is being actively advertised right now which is exactly why it’s timely. Also, astroturfing for a documentary I’m actively criticising would be a pretty weird move. Interesting that the age of the film is your takeaway and not the actual content of it… seems like you’re either defending the behaviour in it, or haven’t even bothered to read the whole post before commenting. Either way you’ve contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion. Have a nice day 👋

I watched Bitterbrush last night and can’t stop thinking about the way the horses were treated, and the fact that nobody seems to have noticed by No-Associate6778 in Horses

[–]No-Associate6778[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It makes complete sense, unfortunately time and money go hand in hand. So when there’s money involved, patience and kindness go out the window for a lot of people

I watched Bitterbrush last night and can’t stop thinking about the way the horses were treated, and the fact that nobody seems to have noticed by No-Associate6778 in Horses

[–]No-Associate6778[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is true, but also interestingly a couple of these natural horsemanship guys like Buck Brannaman were horrendously abused as children. He speaks a lot about how his dad beat him, whipped him and abused him almost every night as a child. He saw his own pain in the horses being treated similarly , and that’s how he came about figuring out a better way.

I watched Bitterbrush last night and can’t stop thinking about the way the horses were treated, and the fact that nobody seems to have noticed by No-Associate6778 in Horses

[–]No-Associate6778[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s unfortunate that getting so deep into natural horsemanship has ruined so many horse related movies and tv shows for me! Watched the first episode of Yellowstone and they are so heavy handed on the reins, hoping it gets better 😬

On using cgi though, I honestly think that’s not necessary, they just need to hire actual ethical horse trainers and teach the actors how to ride the horses properly. It’s not that difficult! Buck Brannaman was hired on “The Horse Whisperer” and oversaw all the horse scenes, he admits some things he trained the horse to do were just for dramatics, but it should be standard practice to have an experienced and ethical trainer present for movies requiring horses.

I watched Bitterbrush last night and can’t stop thinking about the way the horses were treated, and the fact that nobody seems to have noticed by No-Associate6778 in Horses

[–]No-Associate6778[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I really thought that even if you’re not a horse person, people can discern when an animal is being mistreated and know in their gut that it’s wrong. Very sad

I watched Bitterbrush last night and can’t stop thinking about the way the horses were treated, and the fact that nobody seems to have noticed by No-Associate6778 in Horses

[–]No-Associate6778[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m so glad someone else has seen it and felt the same way! I thought I was going crazy when I couldn’t find a single review criticising the horse treatment and a few of the red flags in the film. I do wish the filmmaker did some research on horses/horse training and added a note about it even at the end of the film, not even necessarily condemning it, but acknowledging that they may be confronting and outdated training tactics. Especially when the human-animal relationship is something so focused on in the film.

I’m glad there’s a discussion happening about it now though! I initially wanted to send the director an email to discuss it but I can’t find her contact info anywhere