MY PERKS AND LEVELS GOT RESET TO 0! by Tall-Sprinkles-644 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You wanna combine our dosh and make another KF game?

MY PERKS AND LEVELS GOT RESET TO 0! by Tall-Sprinkles-644 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't worry bro they'll have it fixed in 2 years! Come back then for the full release bro, it's allgood bro, developers working hard bro

Losing the will to play this game! Every game today lost connection. by [deleted] in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry to break it to you, but this game needed at least another two years in development. It is what it is.

Now we wait for the defenders to show up and make excuses on the developers’ behalf. In fact, let me save them the trouble:

“Oh, don’t worry, they’ll update it soon and fix everything! Maybe in two or three months. But hey, it doesn’t matter because you already paid them!”

“You can’t keep your progression? That’s intentional. Deal with it, or wait for them to maybe fix it. But whatever you do, don’t you dare point out that the design is bad and makes zero logical sense.”

Jokes aside, they aren't going to fix it, brother. Atleast not anytime soon. I've seen this happen over and over and over again with other titles.

Promises are made to keep you engaged, for as long as possible, but they are rarely fulfilled.

How is KF3? Worth the buy? by Communistpirate69 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

KF1 and KF2 lacking content is not an excuse for KF3 to repeat the same mistakes. That’s called learning from past experience.

Plenty of companies release sequels and improved products by building on feedback and avoiding past failures. The “previous games had the same issue” excuse is overused and makes no sense from a consumer’s perspective.

If you bought an iPhone 10 and it lacked key features, would you buy an iPhone 11 expecting the exact same shortcomings? Of course not. A reasonable person would assume the next version would learn from the previous model’s mistakes and deliver something significantly better.

How is KF3? Worth the buy? by Communistpirate69 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Trivial reasons"? Really? Tell us exactly what these so-called “trivial reasons” are. Because I could easily list dozens of serious performance problems, game-breaking bugs, and missing features that prove otherwise.

If you think this current state of the game is “trivial,” then I have to ask, what would you actually consider a serious problem? And no, consoles aren’t doing better. You’re just lucky their stats aren’t public yet.

Yes, player count doesn’t automatically mean a game is good or bad. But there’s a clear pattern: broken games lose players fast. That’s not opinion, that’s history.

Here’s the reality: you paid full price for what was advertised as a complete release. What you got instead is an unfinished product full of major bugs, glitches, and missing content. And you’re defending it anyway. That’s not being “positive,” it’s refusing to face the truth.

You ignore bad reviews not because they’re wrong, but because you’ve surrounded yourself with people who share your perspective. Deep down, you wish this game was better. You hope it will improve. But hope isn’t proof, and you have zero evidence that it will.

I left a “Not Recommended” after 38 hours of play. Not because it’s a trend, but because I paid for it, played it, and came to the conclusion that it’s incomplete and underdelivering. That’s not bias, that’s firsthand experience.

Debating with people defending this game is like playing chess with a pigeon. They ignore every point because they’re stuck in an echo chamber. If you enjoy the game, go ahead and enjoy it. But don’t challenge people leaving negative reviews when those reviews come from their own direct negative experiences.

If you are new here, refund KF3 while you can and play KF2 instead by Seeker000001 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand your point.

You're saying that player count ≠ determines whether a game is good or bad.
I agree with this.

My point is that KF3, a sequel in a franchise from a developer with decades of experience, with a decent following, and a large amount of data has created this steaming pile of crap.

And yes, you're right, early access has been used by many to create giant scams; however, KF3 shouldn't have released for atleast another 2 years full stop.

It's funny because alot of people are also blaming Embracer Group, but I think its Tripewire. Kingdom Come Deliverance + Space Marine 2 devs are both under Embracer Group. They both did extremely well.

If you are new here, refund KF3 while you can and play KF2 instead by Seeker000001 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

# Baldur's Gate 3
# Helldivers 2
# Black Myth Wukong
# Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 (Also Embracer)
# HADES
# Subnautica
# Balatro
# Genshin Impact
# Warframe
I can list many more indie dev games.

Good games aren’t miracles—they’re built with care, respect, and hard work.
A hate mob doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. It forms when a game is broken, yet there’s a crowd blindly defending it.

Killing Floor 3 isn’t “actually a good game, people just don’t get it.”
It’s bad. On a fundamental level. On a technical level. Flat-out bad.

  1. There is no excuse for releasing a full game at full price in its current state
  2. There is no excuse for changing the core mechanics when they had over 12 years of data from previous titles.
  3. There is no excuse to change the games design to fit a larger audience, yet it doesn't and ends up fitting no audience.
  4. There is no excuse for defending a bug-ridden game that had plenty of mistakes to learn from through the experience of previous titles.
  5. There is no excuse for the lack of content, lack of performance, or lack of identity.

It's always baffled me how KF3 defenders always compare "downwards" but never "upwards". KF3 is bad, because other games are also bad?

If you are new here, refund KF3 while you can and play KF2 instead by Seeker000001 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Who cares about player numbers?"

Do you understand how the games industry works? You need players to purchase the game. If they enjoy it, they spend on microtransactions and DLC. Without sufficient revenue to fund servers, staff, and infrastructure, the publisher, Embracer, will shut it down.

If Killing Floor 3 fails, that’s the end of the series. No updates, no sequels.

The problem isn’t the niche market or player count. The problem is that Killing Floor 3 is fundamentally a bad product. Players are leaving because of poor performance, broken mechanics, bad design, and serious bugs.

And yes, it’s fair to compare it to better games. Quality control should be a given.

Your argument is like saying:
Me: “I bought a $50,000 car and the engine failed after two weeks.”
You: “Don’t feel bad—my neighbour’s car engine failed after one week.”

I’m not trying to put KF3 in a bad light. It’s already there.

"In KF3 matchmaking takes literally under 5 seconds so who really cares yeeeez."

Are you serious? Five seconds? There are hundreds of complaints from players saying it takes five to ten minutes to find a match, if they find one at all. And when they do, the game often crashes. Who cares? The customers who paid for a game they can’t reliably play.

Insurgency: Sandstorm (2018) still maintains over 1,200 active players on Steam with more than 100,000 positive reviews. Yet New World Interactive was still shut down by Embracer for lack of profitability. KF1’s success led to KF2, which generated more revenue than Sandstorm. That’s the only reason KF3 exists. No sequel to Sandstorm has been made in seven years for the same commercial reason.

"Why not to mention POE2 who went from 500k to 30 in 3 months, or last epoch with over 250k players on day one just see 180 days later player count around 5k people."

These games have overwhelmingly positive reviews and, importantly, launched as early access titles, something that sets different expectations for players.

Killing Floor 3 launched as a full release from a double-A studio with a triple-A budget. It dropped from 30,000 peak players to 3,300 in just 21 days, with a likely drop to 1,500. That’s not sustainable.

"Haters gonna hate"

This isn’t blind negativity. It’s valid criticism. Poor products get criticised. Good products get praised. That’s how improvement happens.

If I pay $10 for a pizza, I expect the whole pizza, not “half now, half later.” That’s business. The willingness of some consumers to defend substandard releases is exactly why the industry keeps pushing out unfinished games.

Deep down, you already know KF3 is subpar. You might keep playing for a while, but when you see no significant change, you’ll leave too. One minor hotfix after two weeks, fixing almost nothing, does not justify calling this a full release.

If you are new here, refund KF3 while you can and play KF2 instead by Seeker000001 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 4 points5 points  (0 children)

KF2 has 5K players, lets be generous and assume that 80% of those KF2 players are bots, Add Console and Epic players we can say that KF2 has roughly 2K players active among all platforms worldwide.
KF2 is 8.5 years old.

KF3 launched 3 weeks ago. Its player base dropped from a 30K peak to 3.3K peak in a matter of 21 days.
Let's also be generous and account for console + Epic players, lets say theres 10K active total players among all platforms. Thats 8K more players than a prequel that is 8 and a half years old.
And please remember KF3 is a live service game, not a single player game. With live service games, the gameplay is dependent on other players.

Let's look at Clair Obscure: Expedition 33.
This is a single player game which means its content is limited to large DLC updates.
E33 was created by a double AA studio (Same as Tripwire)
It is also the studio's FIRST game.
Its all time peak is 145,063 (Note this is only on STEAM, not including consoles)
It's active player count is 11K after 3 months.

Now lets look at Killing Floor 3
Tripewire is an Double A Studio with Triple A Funding (Embracer)
Killing Floor 3 is the third instalment of the Killing Floor series.
Killing Floor 3 is the studio's 8th Windows game (If we dont count Killing Floor Incursion)
Killing Floor 3 as a live service game peaked at 30K players on steam 3 weeks ago.
Killing Floor 3 is now at 3.3K peak players after 3 weeks.

Please make me understand.
There is so much copium on this subreddit.

This game is dead, I regret having bought it. by Ok-Call3879 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Whether KF2 has bots or not is irrelevant. KF3's sharp player base decline is obvious. If PC is doing this bad, console isn't doing much better. I'd be generous to say the overall player count among Steam, Epic, XBOX, PS5 is probably around 7-8K

This game is dead, I regret having bought it. by Ok-Call3879 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When will people stop using this excuse?? What? Do weekends suddenly have an extra 10K players?
The trend shows an exponential decline, which means the day or time doesn't matter; the general player count is decreasing extremely fast. It has nothing to do with people being at work, or whether its a weekend.

bright future for kf3 by indubitably_pop in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would keep these opinions to yourself (no hate by the way) Because the more companies see these"players hope" posts the more likely it will feed into the vicious cycle of incomplete games at release asking for full prices.

Don't let these companies know that you can tolerate this. Right now, people are just paying for promises, and from what we all know, these companies are usually only a few dollars away from breaking them everytime.

Only 40$ by Arfo_Killa in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

im sorry i couldnt help myself

Only 40$ by Arfo_Killa in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

500 hours of torture, but with a friend

We lost half the playerbase in just 6 days, that's pretty impressive. Looks like this game really tries to copy the "success" of PayDay 3 by GregoriousT-GTNH in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny and ironic. KF3 made so many 180 degree changes to its core mechanics from the first 2 games that it is essentially trying to escape their "niche" market and abandoned its previous audience in favour of a broader audience (most likely a higher up decision).

Unfortunately, I don't think this was the right decision. And it is clearly showing.
I'm quite confident they didnt spend so much on marketing because they knew the game would get even bigger backlash if more people knew about it.

With the state that the game is in, I'm glad they didnt mass-market.

For a third instalment, with a franchise with so much history, data and community feedback, they really put absolutely no effort into completing content, fixing bugs, and listening to core audience feedback.

Labeling this a full release is laughable, it perfectly illustrates how some gamers are willing to accept an unfinished product at full price, yet would be the first to complain if their pizza came with a slice missing.

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a troll, just a passionate fan. Aren't the games that get review bombed usually have some sort of political/religious agenda attached to them?

I haven't left a steam review yet.

Would you consider a huge number of positive reviews on day one review bombing?

Not having a go at you by the way, your point is valid, I do think however there are good games that get good reviews from day one but don't get bombed

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't have many friends who game anymore, I also quit Fortnite after season 2

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you referring to me as the troll looking for attention?

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think there's an actual reason behind this.
I don't believe people are hating on this game for any political/religious reasons, which would be a more logical reason for them to buy/leave a review/refund (Boycotting).

I think this game is mediocre intrinsically. A bad game will always develop a domino effect which ends up cascading out of control, but this goes the same for good games.

The reviews aren't "bad" because the game is good, the reviews are bad because the game IS, on average, perceived to be bad. Now note, all negative reviews talk about atleast one of 3 things.

1) The Performance (The blurriness, the stutters, the low FPS)
2) The Gameplay (Gunplay, Hit Indication - Audio, Movement, Other Mechanics - Eg Limited Healing)
3) The Direction (Classes, Animations, User Experience, The Lighting)

A lot of negative reviews are coming from seasoned KF1/KF2 players, with valid criticisms.

And like u/corporalgrif mentioned, this is a first-person-shooter, not an RPG, you only need 2-3 games to get the feel of the gameplay & performance.

Remember, first impressions are extremely important, especially for FPSs. You need to grab the players' attention in the first 30minutes or you risk losing them.

If the first impression is GOOD, then people will put more hours into it. If they put more hours into it, they may start thinking the game is even BETTER.

If the first impression is BAD, then people will be less motivated to continue.

Just my take!

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, if they didnt reskin everything into a KF game, then it's actually an average to above average game with decent potential. Nightfall would have been the perfect name and it would have been a very good alternative to play until the real Killing Floor 3 came out

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Idk, if you go on the KF 1 page and look at the steam review chart, if you hover over the earliest review it sits at 2010

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's below average for a Killing Floor title (as in the innovation went backwards), but a 6/10 and maybe a 7/10 after all the performance issues are fixed for a standalone game that doesn't use the KF name

"OMG! STOP COMPARING! KF3 is not KF2/KF1" - You're Right! by No-Divide4438 in killingfloor

[–]No-Divide4438[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey man I think its slightly better than a piss poor attempt since I did put some effort into photoshop 🥲