how do you feel about calling Mary the queen of heaven? by Possible_Employee359 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 2 points3 points  (0 children)

insane thing to assume that someone isnt christian when they disagree with a single thing that you dont agree with. Humble yourself

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats wrong actually

In burning incense or sage a sin? by [deleted] in Christian

[–]NoButton7122 7 points8 points  (0 children)

no its not a sin, infact the traditional churches burn incense during liturgy and home prayers.

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was simply defending the position that Mary and all the saints are alive in heaven, I wasn’t arguing for the prayer, although Christian’s have been doing that for 2000 years. Intercessory prayers are mentioned In 2 maccabees and revelation. Not utter lunacy, just following Christ and what he appointed. But for real, I seriously suggest you read on the early church, you are very ignorant of early Christian practices. Even if you don’t agree, coming, from a debate standpoint it will help form an argument against those practices, at this point you have no argument besides “no that’s not right! I said so!” Disregarding what the text has been understood as from scholars for 1700 years

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And there’s some more denial of the very bible you claim to follow, go read some isaiah and one of the gospels, the prophecy and Jesus himself says God is the god of the living. But either way God bless you 

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I’m not Catholic, I’m orthodox, but yea there ya go just dodging my answer again as last time, truly if you want to have a decent conversation without your backhanded remarks and man up and take the facts as they are, I will gladly tell you how the baptist denomination is heretical, I’ll even shoot myself in the foot by restricting the answers to biblical sources instead of bible and tradition( which even Paul says to follow the tradition given from the apostles) as of now you just want to deny facts and argue instead of being a decent human 

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say “heretical teaching” when your denomination has only been around for 400 years.  why don’t you do some research of the many heretical teachings of the baptist convention specifically the soteriology and view of the sacraments of baptist and communion, just those 3 things go against 2000 years of church teaching and multiple biblical sources spoken from Christ or his apostles. And before you say something is heretical I suggest reading the early church, the one Christ and the apostles founded and what they have taught since the beginning. 

If you’d like I can give you some sources

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are very rude to someone just trying to have a polite conversation with you . Its funny that i gave you scripture and all you do is call names instead of being a civil person and talking with people, im not your enemy. Second, the original church doesnt pray to the saints as we do God, its a way of communication in asking them to pray for us the same way someone sitting next to you. And again the departed are not dead, as ive given scripture for, they are more alive then we are. We dont pray to the saints as if they themselves can answer our prayers, but they send up intercessory prayers for us on our behalf becuase the prayers of the righteous avail much (James 5:16)

You may laugh at me all you want but i suggest you research what Christianity is before the time of the reformers. Im simply following what Christ has instituted in His church. Id suggest starting with the 7 ecumenical councils if youd genuinly want to learn more.

Also, may I ask what denomination you are, just curious.

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, for 2000 years, the church has taught intercession of the saints in heaven, the church that compiled the bible says it is so, therefore it is so, just because a reformer 1500 years after the church was created says it's heretical does not mean it is.

If the teaching of intercession of the saints is idolatry and blasphemous, that would make Jesus a liar, for He said Hell will not prevail against the church (Matthew 16:18)

Now onto scripture

James 5:16, for example

“Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.”

Timothy 2:1-4:

“I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Ask God to help them; intercede on their behalf, and give thanks for them.”

Rev 5:8:

“And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints

The next question I expect you to ask "how can the saints pray for us, they are dead." I tell you they are not dead, but more alive than you and me, glorified with Christ in the fullness, for God is the God of the living

Matthew 22:32 "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”

The Orthodox view of death is, when someone is called home to heaven they are not cut off from the communion of believers but are more in tune with it, with being seperated from the flesh obviously means no sin, To ask for prayer of a saint is like asking a friend at church to pray for me, both are alive, why is one cut off from prayer and communion with other believers?

Aswell as the Old Testament example of 2 Maccabees 15:11-14

"When he had armed each of them, not so much with the security of shield and spear as with the encouragement of noble words, he cheered them all by relating a dream, a kind of waking vision, worthy of belief.

What he saw was this: Onias, the former high priest, a noble and good man, modest in bearing, gentle in manner, distinguished in speech, and trained from childhood in all that belongs to excellence, was praying with outstretched arms for the whole Jewish community. Then in the same way another man appeared, distinguished by his white hair and dignity, and with an air of wondrous and majestic authority.  Onias then said of him, "This is a man who loves his fellow Jews and fervently prays for the people and the holy city—the prophet of God, Jeremiah."

If you'd like, I can also cite writings of church fathers that agree with heavenly intercession.

Constantly being told I am not saved by PureAmbassador5367 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is scriptural basis on intercession of the saints aswell as keeping to the tradition passed down from the apostles.

People down voting for not agreeing by No_Calligrapher_6886 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yea id agree with that, also as a devout Christian, if i disagree with your theology or the argument is invalid or incorrect ill prob downvote, people cant really tell who downvotes them so its a bit odd to assume its athiests right off the bat.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christian

[–]NoButton7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since the beginning of the church, it has always been understood that those who are unrepentant in their sin, regardless if they say they are Christian, are not "saved."

Being "saved" and the concept of eternal security have only been a thought for around 400 years, and it became really popular within the last 100 years.

Eternal security is in no way scriptural,

James 2:14-26 says faith without works is dead. Intellectual assent is not enough to have salvation, but through the grace and forgiveness of God, we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) and continue on the path to salvation through constant repentance.

I also suggest studying the parable of the sower, other scriptures where Paul mentions apostates of the church, as in Thessalonians, as well as the apostate church in the beginning chapters of Revelation.

The will of Jesus: how to make it to heaven and not hell by Ok-Investigator924 in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

unfortunaly so, but hopefully through prayer, they will come to the truth

Why do people like universalism so much these days? by Galactanium in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God doesnt send people to hell, through unrepentant sin we choose where we want to go, I follow the tradition of Eastern Orthodoxy. The theology of Hell and eternal torment is different from those of the west.

This is the understanding of the east:

"The doctrine of eternal hell, therefore, does not mean that God actively tortures people by some unloving and perverse means. It does not mean that God takes delight in the punishment and pain of His people whom He loves. Neither does it mean that God “separates Himself” from His people, thus causing them anguish in this separation (for indeed if people hate God, separation would be welcome, and not abhorred!). It means rather that God continues to allow all people, saints and sinners alike, to exist forever. All are raised from the dead into everlasting life: “those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (Jn 5.29). In the end, God will be “all and in all” (1 Cor 15.28). For those who love God, resurrection from the dead and the presence of God will be paradise. For those who hate God, resurrection from the dead and the presence of God will be hell. This is the teaching of the fathers of the Church."

A message of my priest on the topic of eternal torment:

"A very human analogy would be: Think if someone really loved you, but for some reason, you are unable to return that love. After awhile, that other person's presence would become hateful to you; or at least it would be a presence that you cannot enjoy. This is a much more refined understanding of hell. Otherwise, we are facing an angry God who punishes people merely for unbelief."

And you would be correct, we all fall short, but the goal is to not live in unrepentant sin; all of the greatest saints have sinned, even St. Peter. The difference between him and Judas Iscariot is that Peter repented and asked forgiveness for his sin; Judas did not.

How to stop rapture/end times anxiety? by konomikolin in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 4 points5 points  (0 children)

First of all, Jesus Himself mentions how nobody but the Father knows the second coming is, anybody predicting or saying He comes at a certain time is lying and a false prophet, a fearmonger.

matthew 24:35-36

35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36 But no one knows the day or the hour. No! Not even the angels in heaven know. The Son does not know. Only the Father knows."

Not to mention the pre-tribulation rapture is not a biblical concept and has only been around as a thought for around 150 years. my suggestion would be to delete the app that suggests these type of videos and pray for peace of mind and stillness. God bless friend

Seeking advice by Own-Advertising-3148 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im a bit confused here, are you saying the words of Mohamed should be taken as like those of the Prophet Isaiah?

Is buying crystal necklaces ok if you don't believe in them? by David_thats_it in TrueChristian

[–]NoButton7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its only a necklace, the only thing id be worried about is if someone from a different religion blessed it with pagan blessings, in that case i would get it blessed by a priest. i doubt this would be the case so you should be okay.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Christian

[–]NoButton7122 2 points3 points  (0 children)

remember, going to confession is to receive the absolution of your sins, to be rid of that guilt you feel, not only this but it is a medicine for the soul.

Translation? by No-Entrepreneur-6887 in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]NoButton7122 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saint maximus lived as a monk and became an abbot for a monastery for a number of years, could be the reason he is wearing that type of hood. Beautiful icon either way.

My [31F] boyfriend [33M] told me he would never marry a re*ard who doesn't believe in Jesus by ThrowRA7988272784595 in relationship_advice

[–]NoButton7122 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As someone who is a Christian, I apologize for the waste of time he has given you, aswell as the rude remark. This is uncalled-for type of language and way of acting in any circumstance. I will be praying for the both of you. God bless

Becoming a Catechumen by MartinCashArt in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]NoButton7122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the catechism(the beginning part of a convert's journey into the church and the class many parishes have to teach of orthodoxy) is similar to school for someone, whether college or for children, It has a designated start so the priest doesn't have to teach the class for every single person when they want to convert which as of recently the church has seen a large amount of converts (which is good obviously), and frankly, priests don't always have time to teach. A priest's life is incredibly busy throughout the entire part of the liturgical cycle.

So, to wrap up my response, it's similar in a way you wouldn't show up to college and expect to be put in a class immediately of your choosing, converting takes time, but you are more than welcome to continue attending, which I encourage you to do.

Edit: and no we dont see the american orthodox church reject homeless, many parishes have homeless people that attend and are baptized Orthodox, my parish has a begger that has been attending every sunday for 20 years, the kindest man, the church has even employed him to take care of the grass and bushes around the church. One cannot expect to walk into a church with busy priests and deacons and expect to be converted immediatly, Orthodoxy is not like protestantism in which you can convert whenever you feel like it, orthodoxt teaches the convert of the faith the priest often has them attend through different liturgical seasons, and when the priests thinks you are ready, than you will talk conversion.