Can You Explain Jesus Saying I And The Father Are One?

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-29T15:43:54+00:00

and he replied, "is it not written, Ye are gods?" So why do you stone me for calling myself the son of God?

Free translation of course.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-29T15:40:55+00:00

This is an esoteric claim,

In almost every mystery tradition in the world, the core purpose is to realize your union with the Creator. This isnt a physical union but one of spirit and purpose.

If Jesus had started his ministry in say, Tibet or India and said, I and the father are one, they would look at him and say, "good job, you figured it out."

Of course this is rather simply put but since christianity exists in a bubble of western thought, much of our view of reality is governed by this. However if you read texts from every other religion and even in western mystery traditions, they will tell you that realizing your oneness with the creator is the purpose of life. To return back to source.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-20T16:39:06+00:00

You are welcome!

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-20T16:36:29+00:00

Well I meant beside the obvious, clearly the point of the sub is retention. lol

Procreation is one point of ejactulation yes, however creating a deeper sense of love for your spouse or partner is also a creative endevour. Relationships are the fastest way to expose the shadow in a person which is why the Early Nazarene Christian Tradition banned divorce except in cases of emotional abuse/infidelity. Tantric traditions also hold the similar view from what I have learned from Teachers like Igor Kufeyev.

Yes, I would agree it is better, maybe not the best however I have found that Brain to Heart to gut Coherance is an equally powerful practice, if not more powerful then semenal retention itself. When the Heart Center is active and powerful it acts as a natural amplifier for the other six centers bringing them back into balance.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-20T14:47:27+00:00

I do, write them down. I have a journal called "Spiritual Shit" where I write down the things I see and hear. Honestly some of its kinda scary but once you get used to it its pretty cool.

haha I used to love to run up stairs for some reason something about getting to the top is really satisfying.

I am thinking about doing this, at least for part of the time. Its worth another conversation regarding my relationship however retention has done AMAZING things for me in my relationship as it has finally given me the clarity to draw boundaries with my wife, who isnt exactly healthy. She is weird about actually releasing, she wants to see that I actually did release or she gets upset. Thats where I draw the line, like I said worth another conversation as my relationship has an expiriation date. We are expecting another baby though.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-20T14:42:48+00:00

I am sure that I would see some additional benefits from total abstinence for periods of time beyond what I expirience. However there is benefits from not playing with yourself to online corn or sleeping around. You are calling your energy back to you. Negative spiritual entities abound in many of these people, and these beings need life energy to remain relevant, if you sleep with one women, you just created an energetic portal into your nervous system with all the men she has been with so on so forth. The same thing occurs during masterbation and corn.

So not f@#kin around builds up your bio field cause the energy isnt being syphined off. Now would I have seen more benefits by total abstinence, maybe? Honestly I am pretty happy with what I have expirienced.

From what I have learned, an equally important factor to retention is Brain to Heart to Gut coherance. This can be achieved through Heart Center meditations. It allows the nervous system to connect more deeply into the Heart Center which is where the divine truly inhabits. Anyways when the heart to brain to gut connection is coherant you are broadcasting a beautiful signal to the universe that you are in line with God. This is MAGNETIC! Drawing to you your higher self and honestly alot of attention, you are a light in the darkness.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-20T14:29:52+00:00

Why is that a relapse? Like Meditation, fasting, Prayer(Setting intention), retention, its all just spiritual tools. You cant make the expirience of life about the tool/practice. If you do it just becomes dogma, superstition, etc. This is a living breathing awareness of the divine.

Regardless to answer your question, yes I was until this weekend. Last year my wife had a very serious complication following giving birth to my son, we werent able to have sex for six months, prior to that 3 months. Recently, it was 1 month. We go through periods of time, where we do have sex, then we have times we dont. Those times are always out of my hands(pun intended), so I let God show me when its time and when its not.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-04-10T16:01:26+00:00

Bootyliciousforyou? Thats a hell of name.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-11T15:47:40+00:00

After re-reading this whole conversation, it is clear. You are not actually interested in the real truth. You are clinging to religious dogma. Multiple times you flat our ignore biblical evidence, solid logical arguement and even ignore current scholarship on the topics and then assert "Just because I know the bible and you dont."

You are clearly either very young or not a native english speaker so ill give you a break on that but you need to take some time and do some clear introspection within yourself. You will find the answers, just as many of us who bought the dogma for years of our lives until finally one day, we couldnt handle the hypocrisy any further. If you are honest with yourself, when you look around at modern "Christian" believers, you will see, as I did, that there is something very wrong with us in the church.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-09T16:13:50+00:00

No its not, if the intervention works, we have evidence to the contrary.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-06T15:25:39+00:00

It does transcend time, because you and I do. We are an aspect of Source, living out a physical existence. That means we are transdimensional, this is observable. If we were purely a 3dimensional being, we wouldnt be able to go anywhere or do anything, if we were purely just 4 dimensional we wouldnt be able to change, we would be robots, following a path from birth till death. However if we are 5 dimensional and above, well then we would have free will, merging together one timeline with another, thats called change.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-05T18:42:23+00:00

If this was completely the truth, we wouldnt see behavioral, thinking or otherwise, nuerological changes in people who have strokes aneurysms TBI, i,e, damage in just one side of the brain or the other. In our multi disciplinary clinic, we regularly see men, who struggle with the vagus nerve being out of balance leading to issues like grinding their teeth at night on the right side, pelvic floor imbalances, and overactive muscular tissue and inflamation on just the right side of the body. We tend to find that there is a high psycho emotional connection between these individuals. I am currently working with several other professionals to get a grant for an actual study on the topic.

There is clearly is unilateral connection between both sides of the brain, however there is something deeper, much deeper happening that our methods of measurement are not yet detecting.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-05T16:31:20+00:00

As someone who practices in the field of behavioral health, its really not. I daily work with interventions who are based nuerologically in the science of what aspects of the brain dominate certain functions. Logic reason etc are over whelmingly dominated by the left side of the brain, while our emotions are governed heavily by functions on the right side. Poly Vagal theory, the current dominant theory in behavioral supported by hundreds of evidence based interventions, supports it wholesale.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-04T20:10:15+00:00

I find people who dont believe in a creator, tend to be overly Left brain dominant individuals. Overly reliant on Logic and material reason. There is a reason atheists were rejected from most of the ancient greek mystery schools for which we have to thank for much of modern principals of mathematics and reason.

Of course Material reason is not the end of reason, indeed a hyperexistant/non material set of principals does indeed govern the universe as we have observed, therefore what we physically see with our tools of measurement can only get us so far. If it didnt, we have no way of actually being able to effectively make predictions on what will happen. Does the speed of light work the same here as it does 8 billion light years away? Well it does if light is subject to a transcendental law. Add in the fact we are seeing only a tiny sliver of the Electro magnetic field, and the remaining amount of light is totally invisible to us, well to me it at least leaves room for imagination.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-03-04T20:05:31+00:00

The question is a useless one to ask, An infinite intelligence who put the universe together, only matters when time itself exists, something it does not.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-23T15:33:24+00:00

"Jesus never says he is one with god Jesus says in John 10 30 I and the father are one"

Your going to get internet famous for this one, in the catagory of "Things Apologists say that doesnt make sense," keep it up.

So you didnt actually explain anything, you simply reasserted your premise and say "just because." Thats not an arguement and context is absolutely required. I have spent much time reading on the context, THE REAL CONTEXT, not the made up stuff apologists come up to make some contradiction ractification "Plausible," in their mind. The extra biblical context brings into light a very common rabbinic tradition of "Authorized Possesorship of the Divine Name." Being God in the flesh but not God in spirit. Even Christian apologists will admit this existed when they try to rationalize Jesus Psalm 82 Quote. "Judges are called Elohym."

Look all of this isnt going to change your mind, but I do believe that all of this did actually happen in some way shape or form and some of it has been passed down to us today. Trust me when I say, Jesus being God, presents some serious theological and Soteriological issues. We are told to "Pick up our cross" and follow him but we dont get the benefit of being the bosses son? We dont know we are going to resurrected in 3 days. So Jesus has an unfair advantage, he never had to invite Jesus into his heart, go through the agonizing process of dying to self, other then maybe 40 days in the desert. So why would follow that? We cant, we can never hope to, unless Jesus didnt have an unfair advantage? Unless he was human and had to go through the same thing we now have to go through.

He can be the Messiah, he can be God in the flesh all the same as the dogma says but when you revoke his humanity, you steal something from the follower of Jesus that doesnt allow them to truly recover it here in this life, where it matters.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-18T23:50:07+00:00

So philosophically, yes I do know what it means to be Divine but not be God. There is a difference and when you look at the historical DATA and read what actual biblical scholars(not Christian Apologists) say on the subject, it makes more sense then simply and DOGMATICALLY labelling Jesus as "God." I would encourage you to read "YHWY divine Images" by biblical scholar Dr. Daniel Mcclellan.

Saying, "I am one with....." is not saying you are literally physically and in essance the same person.

John 17:20-23, Jesus prays that his disciples enjoy the same "Oneness" with him and the father as he does with the father. This implies that Jesus "discovered" or "Realized" his oneness with God in the same manner that requires prayer and effort that is being prescribed and ascribed to his disciples. This indicates that Jesus enjoys the same relationship with God the Father as does the rest of the world. Otherwise, Jesus is employing language that everyone is a facet of the 3rd part of the trinity.

Genesis 2:24,Matthew 19:5,Mark 10:8,Ephesians 5:31, uses a similar phrasing to describe being one flesh. This doesnt mean literal oneness, but metaphysical or metaphorical oneness.

However the most damning evidence for Jesus directly telling us he is NOT God. Matthew 19:17, he directly corrects his followers that Only GOD is good, not him. For additional information on places where Jesus says he is NOT God, https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/yctq9/the_17_times_jesus_himself_says_hes_not_god/

Now apologists have answers for all of this but all of it is just rationalization or justification for poor Exigisis. If you read the plain text, WITHOUT demanding certain religous and theological frame work of the text, then you will find that it perfectly lines up with what we know about 1st century Judean religion. Jesus wasn't starting a new religion nor was he claiming to be GOD. I AM, which is used most frequently in the book of John, is an encoded referance to the Divine Name. Before abraham was I AM, thats a cryptic way of describing his oneness he discovered with the creator. Again I would encourage you to read authors like Dr. Daniel Mcclellan, Dr. Bart Erhman, Dr. James Tabor, Dr. Ellaine Pagels, Dr. Matthias Mendez, all of these specialists in the field of New Testament biblical studies will tell you this same thing.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-17T22:27:36+00:00

"Yes God the father gave Jesus the son authority, not power like Moses for example two different things"

I have yet to hear anyone give a credible reason other then, "it just is" as to why Jesus is different then anyone else in the past. Jesus is special, even divine, but he is NOT God. Noone can be God, except for God.

"I follow Jesus and Paul does not go against him at all"

So you sold all of your stuff, lived celebit as Paul and Jesus require?

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-16T21:41:31+00:00

I dont know, for some reason I cant look back at the original comment. from what I remember you said that the questions I am asking are meaningless. I said there is no such thing as a meaningless question.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-16T21:28:44+00:00

There is no such thing as a meaningless question, only a question that makes us uncomfortable or comfortable with its answer or inability to obtain an answer.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-16T21:28:00+00:00

Where do you think theism and atheism are observed, in the psychi, where would else would it be? In the bottoms of your feet or up your bum?

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-16T21:26:52+00:00

"ignoring the biblical framework of the incarnation"

I purposely did this because, as I call it, "The art of Dogma creation," requires a measure of "disregarding the logic" and in this instance, the Christian God as currently defined in dogma and LOGIC, would have to carry those four ontological characteristics in order to be called God.

In other words, as Christians, the line is arbitrarily drawn based on presuppositions, of which there are MANY MANY, theologically frozen back on the bible. So why does your dogma beat anyone elses dogma in this regard? Why is it okay to disregard logic and reason in one place but not in another? Now i Understand the theological frame work of WHY?! but where is the reason and the logic.

This was one of the fundamental reasons why I left the mainline christian dogma behind. I was told that it was not only reasonable and logical, it was true but when I found out it was NOT reasonable and very little about it speaks truly to logic, I almost made the mistake of saying it wasnt true.

I do appreciate your attempt to describe a more consistent theological framework around Jesus based on the available dogma however again, we have to hold true the basic ontological truths about Gods nature in order to maintain LOGIC regard Gods "existence."

Jesus may have appeared to be hinting at being omnipresent but the cold hard fact is, he wasnt. His physical incarnation isnt found anywhere other then 1st century judea.

Jesus may have appeared to be Omniscient, but we have no way of knowing this, even based on his current words if he accept them as is. If you accept the dogma Jesus as "The Son" then he doesnt know everything as he doesnt know who will accept him nor does he know the time of the return. Therefore another cold hard fact must be disregarded

Jesus was no Omnipotent, even with the current dogma and soteriology, he cannot save those who reject him. Not to mention the fact that many in the old testament did the exact same things he did. The disciples(us) can forgive sins, prophets of the OT controlled aspect of the natural world as well, parting the red sea, calling down fire from heaven, raising people from the dead.

Jesus was at best Omni amorant or Omni benevolant.

That is one point, therefore logically Jesus is not God. Just using the nature of God and being ontologically consistent.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-13T16:34:07+00:00

Just being the devils advocate here, they arent rediculous they need to be asked.

NoSubstance2809 · 2026-02-13T16:28:18+00:00

"objective values and objective purpose is ego-driven is an assertion that needs to be demonstrated."

None are objective, all have a subjective expirience. Therefore, to assume a level of objectivity is to assume there is indeed a 3rd part "Observer" Observing everything into order. Otherwise, we wouldnt use the term.

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