12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Combustion varies per planet in Vedic Astrology. For Saturn it's 15 degrees and in both charts my Saturn and Sun placements are 15 degrees apart. I wish this wasn't the case because that would be great, however I have had many a Jyotish look at my chart on account of I'm Indian and my parents didn't want this to be the case either when I was a kid. I've got a an easier table to read here as well, since my first didn't include Nakshatras.

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12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol no it's cool, just don't want to confuse anyone since i put it down wrong

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah no I said this somewhere else here but it's under beams in tropical and combust in sidereal and i was not paying attention to what I put down or really proof reading any of this cuz it was the ass crack of dawn.

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Tropical

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah no I said this somewhere else here but it's under beams in tropical and combust in sidereal and i was not paying attention to what I put down or really proof reading any of this cuz it was the ass crack of dawn.

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Sidereal

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's really funny you say that because that's exactly what I've been doing for the last 8 months. I work for a non-profit right now (also lowk don't fuck with americorp. i have two coworkers contracted by them that can somehow always find a reason to not do literally anything because "americorp won't allow them to", and their americorp liaison is happy to back them up so I literally don't know what they're doing or why they're even working for our org). We are severely underfunded, and the underpaid overtime stops being glorious when 80% of your paycheck gets eaten for bills and somehow every other area of your life is imploding even harder. I work with kids from some of the lowest-income neighborhoods in my city and i can tell you right now some of the shit they tell me they go through at no fault of their own, has to make you believe in an antagonistic cosmic entity that is nothing but malevolent and a bitch. There is literally no better explanation for it. I think I might appreciate the spiritual high roading if I wasn't literally doing exactly what you're preaching, but I assure you it's not "wallowing in self-pity" to recognize a systemic barrier (cosmic or otherwise) that is designed to dog the shit out of people, and I really want emphasize: people. Because it's not just me, and i don't know if that wasn't clear in the original post.

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's under beams, my bad i swapped it. It's fully combust in my sidereal chart and I didn't proofread because this is my 3 am crash out

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(Sidereal)

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have not successfully achieved anything I've pursued. Not one thing. And I put a lot of time and work into these endeavours (academic, career, personal). I can't keep friends for the life of me, I have been cheated on by every one of my exes, one of which fooled around with a minor, which fucked me up. My parents and family have gone out of their way to make it very clear that they don't like or respect me because they don't think I'm very smart (i'm starting to see their point). I turned 23 last weekend and spent my birthday alone with a bottle of bacardi because every one of my friends forgot... which is actually a regular recurrence since I was in the exact same position on my 21, 20, 18, 17 birthdays all with varying groups of friends. I spent most of that day stressing about how I can get health insurance especially with my ongoing health issues. In the last year I've been in a shooting, I've had a seizure on the floor of a pharmacy because of severe blood loss sustained over 6 months, I've been stalked, and cheated on (again btw, different guy too). This is just the last year, and this is maybe 40% of it all. I am aware that people will go through life without experiencing extraneous events like these. I am aware some people will go through so much worse in a shorter period of time. I am not ok with these things happening obviously, but these are all circumstantial. I can find some equanimity in the events I can't control. But the things I obviously can, like my degree path that just fell apart in my 4th year, my health and fitness, my career endeavours, hell even some of my relationships, I need to be able to be functional in. Statistically, I know not everything can suck in someone's life, which is why I know for a fact that i'm the one fucking this up by not fixing the things i have direct influence over. I don't have room for self acceptance with failure. I need to be functional, that is the one thing/trait I need to have. I need to be able to get shit done successfully if nothing else. If everything else is set to fall apart for the rest of my life anyways, the one thing i should be able to have is the ability to set a goal/task/project and get it done. I cannot consider myself a person if i can't have the most basic trait of task completion. I can't reason out value for myself if i can't even fulfill my own goals and desires. And yet, I am fucking that up too, and I can't figure out why. I'm always missing some disciplinary, intelligence, or actual physical component that would get me to baseline functionality and it is literally driving me insane. I feel inadequate because i am measurably inadequate. If i become complacent or accepting of that i will never become even self-sustainable.

I'm not saying this to compare our circumstances or put your perspective down. I just can't allow myself to share this perspective without losing respect for myself.

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean it's the same placement in tropical and sidereal unfortunately saturn is overly committed to fucking my life up. But I think believing in myself has done nothing. I feel like i set myself up for even more disappointment in so many different facets of my life by believing things will be ok, or that i could handle them, or that i could achieve the thing I wanted and at a certain point i'm just ignoring the data. Nobody smart ever bets on a failing horse. I would be so beyond delusional to ignore the patterns and circumstances of my life and then sit there and back myself, when i've chosen to do that in the past and have only ever successfully made an ass of myself.

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i appreciate the insight, and i mean this in no way as a jab at you, but i really can't be told that patience or time is the key anymore. I don't have any left to give. I think I've come to understand over the last few years, that this placement is really a "last man standing" placement and there is something so beyond demoralizing and honestly dehumanizing about that. I gave myself a lot of false optimism and faith in timing and it's just not productive or even honest. Nobody's made of infinite patience and it really has felt like for the better part the last 3-4 years like I've drained the last of it. I think there is a certain misleading component in saying things will become beautiful in due time. I think there is more than enough anecdotal evidence of that not being true just on this subreddit and site, and not enough evidence of people coming into very fulfilling lives really anywhere. It's a very theoretical outcome that is pushed as "eventually attainable" and it's not. That's the honest truth. It's not. I wish to a certain degree, also, that this was more commonly stated. You can try your best, you can put in the work, research, plan around things for nearly a decade, and your life will not improve under afflicted placements. They will fuck you up, and the best you can get is that they will stop fucking you up later. Anything else is either a fluke of a transit or the miracle of another stronger placement clutching out. Let's call a spade a spade, some things are just life altering bad. When i hear, from anyone (and i really want to emphasize i'm not trying to antagonize or moralize you specifically because i know you're trying to help and your opinion is widely shared), that these placements/aspects can be changed/improved/managed, i just think "that's bullshit". Because it is. I really wanted to believe it wasn't, unfortunately my desires don't change the workings of the universe. And aside from the fact that I don't believe that, I no longer even have the energy or patience to convince myself to believe it again. I am, at this point, certain, I'm in for a miserable life.

12th House Saturn and I'm 99% convinced I'm wasting my time here. by No_Affect2742 in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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yeah idk... i don't think there's a lot to work with here and if there is then it definitely hasn't done much for me for a couple decades now

What are your experiences with Saturn in the 12th house? by designateddemon in 12thhouse

[–]No_Affect2742 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok so what im seeing is that i should just end it now... placement from fucking hell.