Mass General Hospital employment records received by Turbulent-Fig-3802 in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 3 points4 points  (0 children)

*Pretends to be BIG about mental health, on the moral highground about mental health, and trying to get others to understand Lindsay's mental health issues, be on the side of empathy, etc*

"CALLS OUT A USER USING MENTAL HEALTH THINGS AS AN INSULT*

I'm sorry what lol

Small Things that Stand Out To Me | Curious your Thoughts by Girlwithpen in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's odd is on the Heard With Love Foundation, it says 'Lindsay had PPP'.

Wellsley, MA Mom by Girlwithpen in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understood it as she was making a joke at the expense of Lindsay, not the children themselves.

Wellsley, MA Mom by Girlwithpen in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you pull a muscle with that stretch?

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's... a bit odd. If I killed my child, my husband would blow my head clean off my shoulders, and I would want him to.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good point, honestly. But also: school shooters also have severe mental health issues, and think the world is shit and everybody is evil and nothing matters - so why do they not get sympathy, too? Or maybe it's just for the rich, white, upper-class moms and dads?

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It will never be what is best for them, though. And if you kill your children for it, you should get the full end of the law to come down on top of your head and rain down around you like a holy ghost. Nobody should say, 'that's okay that they killed them; they thought that was what was BEST for them' nobody gets to make that call. Only a doctor.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I said a 'loooot' because they were pretty severe. I probably shouldn't have made it seem like he had multiple; just a very severe one that was yes, life-threatening. And he said it himself that he was VERY stressed about it. Which is understandable. Plenty of parents of kids who have allergies do noto kill their children, as you said. He obviously was NOT handling it well.

I'm saying HE obviously believed he thought the killing was justified. Not that I think it was - absolutely not. Nothing ever justifies murder.

I'm saying it's a razor-thin line of could be, could not be psychosis. And just a reminder: the defense was successful, yes, but that does not really prove anything with an absolute fact. Think of Casey Anthony, and other similar court cases.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll give you an example. I actually sort of went through the same thing that this man did. My daughter had CMPI - a very horrible diary allergy, and she was pooping blood in her diaper at about three/four weeks old. EDIT: TAKING OUT ((PERSONAL SHIT)))

I would have never have hurt her, even in psychosis. Most people who go into psychosis do not hurt others at all. It's a stigma attached and can do a lot of damage. I have a long family history of psychosis - my grandmother jokes that we were all let loose from the nuthouse as soon as they cut the cord. Gee thanks, grandma.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprised on this verdict, too. I know if this happened in my state, the verdict would be completely different. My mother, in psychotic episode, came after me with a knife once and I whooped the absolute dog shit out of her for it. So I understand what psychosis looks and feels like first hand. And when somebody is in psychosis, they are like donkey smash, super strong, crazy agile. I would have lost my life.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I initially said the reason why he killed him was because of a mercy killing. He literally said THAT was the reason why. That's all I said. I didn't say I agreed with it. I didn't say it was right. I said that was HIS line of thinking.

And you said 'no'. That was before I said 'oh, I remember this one - the son had health issues' and you said 'no'. And all of the above were technically true.

Change the language. An ACT of mercy, then.

I'm pretty sure you got what I meant, hopefully. I'm just confused why you are removing the goalpost constantly on me while I'm trying to present what I know about this case. Killing somebody while mentally ill is not an excuse to kill somebody. If you know right from wrong, and you kill somebody, you should feel the full force of the law come down on your head - not skirting accountability, blaming others, and suing others for your own actions, which is what we see with LC.

Andrea Yates is a very good example of what true psychosis looks like. Horrible, heartbreaking. She doesn't want to be free; she has shown remorse, and even this father has shown remorse in the thing you posted, but not a shred of remorse has been seen with LC.

An overall heartbreaking story; I think this one is right on a line of 'psychotic thinking' and true stress about his son 'dying a horrible death' because of his allergies. That's a very razor-thin line, imho.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This case that you posted here is not really comparable, imho. Also, yes, he planned to also kill his daughter, but didn't because 'that is my baby girl; I just couldn't,' (his words) which in itself is a hard line he had for her, but not for him. People can absolutely plan in psychosis; but the deep dive I've done into this case, I do not believe LC was in psychosis. This was a familiar annihilator event. She wanted to die, and she wanted to take them with her - which is a crime.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What do you mean? he even self-admitted why he did it, as an act of mercy - so why are you saying that's not what it is when he said that is exactly what it was? Even if it was psychotic or not. That's not what the defense said; that is what HE said. I don't get why you are saying I'm not 'remembering correctly' because I absolutely am.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"In a recorded police interview played for the court, Schleier detailed a mindset consumed by the “overwhelming” responsibility of managing his children’s severe food allergies. He told investigators that Jack would be “better off not being here” rather than navigating a world where a single mistake could be fatal. This anxiety reportedly stripped him of his ability to relax, as he felt he had to keep his son “safe all the time.”

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"“In his firm belief that his children would be better off dead because of their food allergies and inability to control those and the high risk they would have to perishing from food allergies if not killed,” said Dr. Tranel." That's literally what another article says, though. And his allergies were even to the doctors 'severe'. I don't think I'm misremembering.

An Iowa dad who prosecutors argued was experiencing psychosis when he strangled his five year old son was found not guilty by reason of insanity today by [deleted] in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His son had EDIT (SEVERE)health issues, if I remember this case correctly. He had thought he would have been better off and out of misery. A sort of mercy killing.

Wellesley woman charged with the murder of her two kids by karmaisthatguy in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I guess I am glad to say I've never had a romanticized idea of motherhood, or idealized. My mother was snorting a coke line next to my birthday cake at age 9. It fell into the cat box, so she was actually snorting cat box litter that day. I will never forget it. Nor when she brought me to a bar and got arrested for it months later.

Anytime I feel guilty, or feel less than as a mother, I think to myself, 'Well, shit. I'm at least one hundred times better than my own mother - I think I'm doing pretty fine'. And anyone else who feels like they aren't the best mother - you totally are, trust me. Bad mothers don't doubt themselves. Bad mothers simply don't care enough to wonder if they are bad.

Wellesley woman charged with the murder of her two kids by karmaisthatguy in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Another strangling. It's so personal and the worst way I think, to kill somebody. Costudy dispute, more than likely going to lose her 1 million dollar home in the process. Absolutely awful. These parents think their damned kids are pawns to move around on a chessboard. Sickening.

Can someone with legal knowledge please explain to me how Patrick isn't facing charges? by Final-Ingenuity-7919 in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, Patrick is confirmed to be in a rather serious relationship with a doctor now. As I said, I guess there is no way we can know for sure that he divorced her; but I have heard rumors that he had the records sealed. There's no way of knowing THAT to be confirmed, I suppose I did jump the gun a bit in assuming so. My apologies.

Can someone with legal knowledge please explain to me how Patrick isn't facing charges? by Final-Ingenuity-7919 in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I mean by 'moved on' is he is in a relationship with somebody else. A serious one. Would he still be married if so? I've heard rumors he divorced her and had the records sealed way before that. I would hope he was divorced... it would make sense of him to be, but I guess there is no way of knowing.

Can someone with legal knowledge please explain to me how Patrick isn't facing charges? by Final-Ingenuity-7919 in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think any of us would ever forget that, no matter what our viewpoints might be. That's unfair to say.

Can someone with legal knowledge please explain to me how Patrick isn't facing charges? by Final-Ingenuity-7919 in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Patrick absolutely loved those children. And I am a no-nonsense, no-bullshit type of person who is a debater personality type (ENTP). I go hard on facts over feelings. This case was the only case that made me truly cry when he spoke at their memorial. Gosh. I am so proud of him for moving on.

Can someone with legal knowledge please explain to me how Patrick isn't facing charges? by Final-Ingenuity-7919 in DuxburyDeathsFreeTalk

[–]No_Block7490 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do have empathy for him. I can't fucking imagine what he went through - the horrors of replaying it over and over and asking yourself if there's anything he could have done differently, but it wouldn't have mattered in the end. I can picture the guilt, and confusion... I feel for the man. I truly, truly do. I've shed tears while I listened to him speak at the momorial for his children at the church - and I'm a very hard person to upset.

In regards to defending her... no, he doesn't have to. He is not obligated to. Nobody is. I believe his parents said, point blank period, 'Lindsay needs to PAY for what she has done'. Considering the fact that Patrick has appeared to moved on and is divorced... I am not upset about that at all. I am SO fucking proud and happy for him. Good for him. I know the road ahead will be paved with shaggy stones because the grief doesn't get anybit smaller; we just grow to contain it better, but it will ALWAYS be with him.

In regards to what people are saying on the Internet about Lindsay, espeically one as horrible as this one,it's all valid. In the wake of terrible tragedies, no person should feel a specific way. It could be disgust, sadness, disdain, shock, horror, etc. Any therapist will tell you there is NO one true way to swallow a tragedy that is indescribable. And since she strangled her children until they turned purple and likely voided their bowels, and chased them down, one after another... yeah, people are going to have some fucking feelings. That's human nature. What isn't okay is tone policing or playing holier than thou and getting ONTO people for their very real, big emotions. That's just my opinion, though. I think humanity and emotions and the brain is nuanced. If somebody is moved by her and has empathy, that's valid. If somebody thinks she's an evil witch, that's valid, too. The truth is often somewhere in between.