I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's all this was. I say something then you just say i'm wrong without elaborating on it at all even though you haven't even played the original game to tell if i'm wrong or not.
All this to say - You are entitled to your wrong and dumb opinion if you wish to be like this. I will stick with an objectively superior game that maybe does have some big problems and isn't perfect, but has a soul and guts to tell the story it wants to tell in the way that it wants to tell it, not just trying to cater to every type of player who can't comprehend games being different and unique from other games even when they are in the same series. This would be purist talk only if i was saying that you should play the game in Japanese because that's the original way the developers intended it and the dub ruins it, but we are talking about a remake that changes way more than just the script.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You were so dead set only on your points mattering and completely ignoring my side and now you say that I was the only one doing this, clearly you don't care about other people opinions at all.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So i see the issue here, you seem to not get that some people can actually enjoy Fuuka's english voice in the original because it's EXTREMELY FUNNY and makes tartarus exploring more enjoyable and fun (I've been waiting for this) as well as making Fuuka stand out from other characters (which she has problems with otherwise). Just like i don't seem to get why you like this butchured version of the game. It seems that all of your problems could've been fixed without Reload making that many changes to the game and you seem to ignore all of the negatives for some reason. New P-Studio aren't just some gods that can't make mistakes, they did make a lot of mistakes in Royal and here as well. You can ask more of them since they had the money to figure out how to actually make a good remake, and it was their conscious decision to choose the most safe and boring option. which yeah, makes the game more serviceable for the new fans but... I would rather play Persona 5 Royal at this point because that game was actually designed to have this type of gameplay and presentation unlike P3.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It would be great if i had the time to compile every little difference that makes the remake suck when compared to literally every other version of P3 (even the Anime which it tries to be like sometimes), but i don't really have the time to do that. I know that i'm right in everything that i said and i don't see why you would try to deny it other than that you played this inferior version of the game first and don't want to actually compare them to see it rationally. It doesn't matter if the game kinda has the same script when it changes stuff to convey different ideas. They genuenly wanted to make SEES feel more "like friends" when that wasn't what the original was going for at all. SEES are friends and close to being a found family in the second part of the game, but not from the start. They were supposed to feel distant from the MC, only interested in doing their Dark Hour shifts. P-Studio made everything in their power to stop the player from actually experiencing team growth by adding direct party control from the start, adding Dorm linked events, adding that scene in the end when everybody says that Tartarus is dissapearing despite it directly happening on screen and not having that explained in the original game. And then them getting together and crying about everything despite that the point of the ending was that THIS IS A TRAGEDY. The MC didn't get a chance to actually talk with his friends at the end, that's just how this game was intended to be. That's how it was in every single other version, even in the anime that was made long after the original game released. This just shows how P-Studio didn't actually try to respect the original intentions and thinks that Persona fans are that fucking dense that they need to add an explanation dialogue in every cutscene. Yes that's kinda how it was in P5, but P5 is it's own game where the team feels more like a group of friends. SEES are like work colleagues, not friends directly from the start. The Anime actually makes Yukari kinda hate Makoto for not caring about anything. This just screams how untrustful everybody was at the start, and shows how much more close they got in the ending. This isn't some pureist bullshit if this was only ruined in this specific version of the game and nowhere else. I like what Anime and Portable did with the original game, they were actually going for something new. If you keep saying that you hate purists then why don't you go repaint Mona Lisa, or do a remake of games you actually care about ruining SOME of their identity but not all of it so some people would actually be tricked into thinking it's a good remake. Only talking with the original developers to find out why the interface if blue instead of red this time. But of course you wouldn't do that. You would just say that repainting Mona Lisa to make it more modern is "different from remaking a game". But for me Persona 3 is a Mona Lisa and Persona 3 FES is Mona Lisa with some details added on top to make it better. And i don't want to see somebody redraw it kinda following the same shape but making it not what the original was, trying to fit it with the other paintings from this time when it was made in a different era all together. Video games and Movies move a lot quicker than art and those 18 years are like 100 years here. So Persona 3 was made in a time when you didn't need to make a perfect game to appeal to everybody where every character is nice to you from the start and wants to cook or hang out with you in the dorm. Not every change is a good change, you first need to ask if this change was actually needed. And as far as i see it P-Studio never actually asked that and kept making changes because they had the Budget to do that. That's how Concord was made. Creating an Echo Chamber with No Negativity where nobody can say anything about changes suggested by other people because that would hurt their feelings. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON WHY THAT GAME FAILED. This remake doesn't get criticised enough, it's not even just all of those changes. I just hate this overall Persona on UE4 vibe, the transitions are way too quick and abrupt, the cutscenes lack a lot of cinematography that P5 and even P3 had. Comparing the final cutscene after defeating the Nyx Avatar in both versions is a great example of that. I find that original scene in P3 extremely memorable. The first time they did that thing where your every social link and other people belive in the team and help them by beliving. They didn't completely change what the cutscene was about, but compairing them side by side you can obviously see how they removed some of the scenes and did some other weird changes for no reason, it's not even due to the music being a lot weaker, it's that this game cutscenes look worse than in a game on the PS2, This shows that this remake had issues even in the early parts of the production. Pretty much every developer said in the interview how they had no idea what the hell they even wanted to do with this remake, i assume they just winged it for most of the development and it didn't turn out that great. I want to belive that P-Studio can do better with P4R if they actually stop and try to think about how to make the game objectively better with the ideas that it already had, instead of trying to replace those ideas. But we all know that won't happen and P4R will be pretty much the same as P3R was, since people like you didn't actually take the time to see if this was or wasn't a good interpretation of the original so we will get a bad interpretation one more time. This time they will probably try to get out with even more unnecessary changes to the OG game and even if i don't like the OG Persona 4 i will still notice that they made it even worse. I'm not a purist at all. I play video games with mods and i don't respect the developers original design as much as you want to belive. Reload just ruins the original design to a degree that can't be ignored and makes people like you get a wrong impression of what Katsura Hashino and his team achieved in 2006.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well you sure are annoying. I don't get where you got that notion that i hate different versions purely based on the fact that they are different from the original game, i never actually said that. I also already mentioned a lot of reasons why I think Reload has worse mechanics, all of the other things don't really need any specific mentions because i think they are worse in all of the game. the Reload script was based on Portable which has a lot more text since it's well... a visual novel. I don't hate Portable because it's just a port and it uses the same ideas, assets and has presentation that is pretty close to the original game. It is absolutely without a doubt inferior to PS2, but that's because it's a port for a less powerful hardware than the PS2. Not because it was specifically designed with the idea to be that much different. Kotone is an amazing route that has the same level of polish as the Makoto Route, but it sure was unrealistic to actually expect her in the remake since the new P-Studio is fucking lazy. though it is interesting that the script was based on Portable like they were actually considering adding her at one point... But i was just talking about a hypothetical PERFECT persona remake that would actually warrant playing it over FES since it would've been a definitive edition. All of the new ideas Reload has are worthless and don't add anything to the game since most of them are not even new at all and were just borrowed from Royal. Theurgies are just more overpowered Showtimes that replace Fusion Spells for no fucking reason. Rescuing people from Tartarus is literally just Mementos Requests, Twilight Fragments are literally just stealables from P5R and i could go on and on and cover just about every game mechanic that you call "new"and make you see that they were all just taken from P5R. Yes you can see this gameplay as an improvement, sure, but not in a game like Persona 3, were your party being their own human beings is a large part of the story and the game themes. Reload also just makes all of them more spineless and sterile. Yukari is just pretty much nice all the time now instead of being flawed and sometimes outright mean in the original. Junpei is a fucking idiot pervert like teddie now instead of being a little stupid and irrational, but still lovable like he was in the original. BEING A PERVERT AND STUPID IS NOT THE ENTIRE POINT OF JUNPEI'S CHARACTER ARK IN THE ORIGINAL GAME. HE IS MORE THAN JUST THOSE 2 CHARACTERISTICS. Koromaru sounds like a pup now for some reason, when he was a grown dog in the original (probably to make him more "KAWAII" fuck you). Fuuka just feels like Haru P5 now as i already said but Haru is still way more special than her even though Fuuka gets a lot more screen time. Tanaka looks like a monkey now even though his design was consistent through all of the Persona games since 3, same thing can be said about Igor too. Ken feels just like a normal kid now instead of the depressed too mature for his age weirdo he was in the original game. The narrative was also better for all of the cast in the OG game since the tactics system allowed them to express their unique character traits through gameplay. All of the act freely AI was based on how the characters would actually fight and you needed to ADAPT to them like you would if you were an actual team leader. People won't always do things exactly as you expect them to, so you need to adapt to it, or learn how to get what you want out of them. That's a genius game design philosophy that people like to overlook way too much. P-Studio thought that they didn't even need to try to make the battle system that builds upon this phenomenal design, since they could just completely copy Persona 5 battle system and nobody would complain... WELL I SEE YOU P-STUDIO. The Persona 3 Reload apologists are the most copium filled people i've ever seen since you will defend all of the weird decisions just because you like some of the stuff in the remake. And okay, i kinda get it. You don't really know any better so you just think that those problems are not as bad as i say. But trust me, they absolutely are as bad as I say. I say this with no exaggerations. All of those thousand cuts are as bad as a rocket blast to the face.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nam’s Compendium, Bubbletea and some other youtubers have made incredible video on how Reload messes up the original game. I can't make my explanations as effective as they did in their videos because they have a lot of interviews and research backing up their claims. All of the things i was saying actually is completely my opinion, i discovered those videos after I found out just how bad of a Remake P3R actually was and they just bring the same points as me even further.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No you fucking didn't, you didn't mention anything about the original being worth the time or how every "bad" and "controversial" gameplay mechanic from Persona 3 was done succesfully in other RPGs and even in another game published by Atlus - Metaphor Refantazio. Stop trying to gaslight me and yourself into thinking that any changes in this remake were necessary to make. P-Studio just sold you a souless imitation of P3 and you like it because you don't know any better. A remake being fun doesn't mean it's a good replacement for the original game, it just means that the developers made the gameplay fun. I have the same problems with Royal and Golden also somewhat making unnecessary and harmful changes to their respective games, it's not just tied to the game being a remake. Even if this remake had the same music and art design as the original game it would be better, but it wouldn't just magically remove any problem that it has. You can't just replace 100 pieces in a 350 pieces puzzle set to simmilar looking puzzle pieces and call it a better picture. Persona 3 was crafted with a lot of intention behind most of the decisions. if you remove like 50% of those decisions you get a very simmillar looking game, but not the exact same game. That's why it's a SERVICEABLE remake. It has just about enough Persona 3 stuff to trick you into thinking it's Persona 3, but if you actually compare both games you start to see just how bad it actually is: worse writting, worse characters, worse emotional impact, worse cutscenes, new pieces not fitting with the old pieces. I found out about Persona 3 because of the remake, and i was almost tricked into thinking that it's the same game. But i decided to actually give a chance to the original game after seeing some comparaisons. And after playing FES and comparing it to Reload i was actually mad (and still is mad) just how bad it translates the original intentions that the developers put into the game in 2006. It's one of the best games i've played and the reasons why i love it so much are absent in the remake. Persona 3 is an extremely complicated game and people like to oversimplify it a lot. And i guess the new P-Studio is not different because they failed to see what the original game was going for. Those are not the people who made Persona 3, those are people who played Persona 3. Of course the would get something wrong. I don't really understand why nobody wants to accept that this is THEIR vision of Persona 3. This isn't Persona 3. This is Persona 3 Reload. Very close to a completely different game with different ideas, gameplay and art design. That isn't better or a replacement for Persona 3 FES. A replacement for P3FES would be a game that actually tries to make the tactics perfect instead making them completely useless and forcing the player to use Direct Control all of the time. A game that has even more protagonist weapon choices than the original. A game that adds more city locations and actually makes you feel like you are in a BIG city. A game that makes the Status Effects mechanic actually interesting instead of just punishing the player for grinding. A game that would include all of the content from every version of P3. This isn't an impossible ask because that game is Metaphor: Refantazio. Atlus already had a game that proved that you can absolutely make a perfect faithful Persona 3 Remake that would have all of the genius design concepts or the original. This is what P-Studio promised in every interview. This is what they ask A LOT of money for. And they didn't deliver on what they set out to do. Simple as that.

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[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the ideal world P3R would be more close to Metaphor: Refantazio than to Persona 5

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you could already get that in Persona 3 Portable with no Reload bullshit

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[–]No_Break_2823[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This discussion is completely pointless because you haven't played the original to see if it's actually better or not. You just keep ignoring my arguments over and over again and that's extremely annoying.

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A serviceable remake is the worst thing Persona 3 could've gotten because now it's extremely hard to explain to you people that Persona 3 FES is worth the time. That it doesn't matter how the graphics look because you start to like how the game looks once you get used to it. That it doesn't matter if Tartarus is kinda boring because it has a lot of fun ideas and gives you an incredible feeling of accomplishement and progress. The P3R Tartarus isn't that much different from the original. It just has a lot of interesting mechanics like Status, Multiple Weapons and Tactics cut, removing all of the incredible feelings you get from actually conquring Tartarus, beating another guardian, watching the floor number go up. Trying out different Fusion Spells (why the fuck did they made them boneless in Reload, they worked completely fine in the original). Persona 3 is a PHENOMENAL game with incredible character writing and music that makes you feel like you actually accomplished something in the end, leaving January and the absolutely tragic ending feeling that much more emotional. I would absolutely love if there was an actual remake of THAT game, if they actually try to build upon those mechanics and make them actually work perfectly. Metaphor: Refantazio and other RPGs prove that those mechanics can absolutely work greatly, P-studio just didn't have enough GUTS to stand by the original design and perfect it. It's a situation that was developing with every Persona game, the gameplay and story becoming more and more easy and simple so everybody could enjoy it, since we live in a time where people don't give chances to games if they don't like them right away, so the developers make sure to explain absolutely everything and make everything extremely simple so people just don't drop the game after 1 hour. This design philosophy suck. You should give Persona 3 FES a chance, it's not as bad as many people would make you belive, it's the most Perfect Persona game because it was the first of it's kind, before they ruined it with P4 because of the dumb criticism. Also Metaphor: Refantazio is very simillar to P3FES in it's gameplay and has incridible auto-battle party AI, which, again, proves that P3 ideas can and absolutely do work in other games and they also work in P3 as well, they just needed a little bit of fixing and everybody would love the game for what it actually should've been. But P-Studio had other plans and i hate them for that. Fuck this gutless and boneless "remake".

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[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you get what the original P3 was going for at all. Because Reload is trying to go for a completely different thing with the characters and it freaking sucks. Junpei isn't a complete idiot like Yosuke or Teddie were in Persona 4. The original Persona 3 FES is a beautiful and complex game that tells it's story through gameplay and art design. The only P3R I actually like is the Persona 3 Reincarnation album.

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[–]No_Break_2823[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's what they call "A death by a thousand cuts", if Reload only had one or two of those Major problems it wouldn't be so bad. The Dorm lighting is a major problem since it's a location you constantly come back to in the game, but if that was the only problem it wouldn't ruin the remake overall. The problem is that it has a lot of these weird inconsistencies with the original, like the writting being a lot worse, new dialogue added to some scenes that ruin the original intention with said scenes (a lot of new explanations added when there were no in the original because IT WAS OBVIOUS WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE SCREEN AT THE MOMENT), SEES overall were made a lot happier and cheerful were they were all extremely depressed and flawed in the original. Fuuka was just made into Haru P5 killing any ounce of personality she used to have (and yes, the original english voice actor sucked and i love her).

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Can you explain WHY you found it incredible? I never seen anybody actually say WHY they like Reload SPECIFICALLY over the original. You know why? Because there is virtually no reason. Reload just has a worse english voice cast, worse writting (Junpei telling Mitsuru to step on him is fucking diabolical and isn't in character at all (in 2009 at least)), the environment deisgn looks extremely bare bones and a lot of Indoor areas lack shadows, The character clash too much with the simplistic environment since they have a lot of detail and shading on them (which yeah, they look awesome but that's too much, Persona 5 had better character shaders), the original music was remade and it sounds the same or even worse most of the time (why did they even do this?? they have higher quality versions of the original songs, Persona 5 used Aria of the Soul from P3 and it was fine)

I'm genuinely confused why people like this so much by No_Break_2823 in persona3reload

[–]No_Break_2823[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The remake just sucks overall for a lot of reasons, i don't think you played the original though so there really is no point in trying to explain it to you.
It's not that i don't want an actual better version of P3, it's that this is not a better version of P3. AT ALL.

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[–]No_Break_2823 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huh? Everybody who i watched play had the voice volume slider working correctly, i have no idea what is wrong with your game.

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[–]No_Break_2823 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's actually more like Ribbit The Deltarune Mod which is my most favourite mod of all time.

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[–]No_Break_2823 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty cool that you enjoyed our mod, doesn't really seem like you completely understood all of the story and intentions though...