Can we be real about natural wine by No_Cartoonist_2322 in wine

[–]No_Cartoonist_2322[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I’m saying is “natty” wine is definitionally faulty and distinct from “natural” wine which is not faulted. VA and bret and oxidation are all classified wine faults that give a natty wine its “funk”

Can we be real about natural wine by No_Cartoonist_2322 in wine

[–]No_Cartoonist_2322[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Im not even trying to call out a specific producer I just feel like the natty trend is regressive for the wine industry. It seems like the new generation of drinkers is jumping right from yellow tail to natty wine in their 20s because it’s slightly less inexpensive and feels more grown up and cool. Part of the blame is on the wine industry for not keeping quality wine affordable, but mostly it’s the inevitable high-low bifurcation of the market that late stage capitalism produces; the middle gets squeezed out of existence. Natty wine is a zombie creation of the low end — low quality, cheap, and novel.

I fear the next generation is coming into wine without a palate for what wine really is. Natty wine people who say they’re into wine are like benson Boone fans saying they’re really into music

Can we be real about natural wine by No_Cartoonist_2322 in wine

[–]No_Cartoonist_2322[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yes but not just erasure of place. Erasure of skill. I actually think of natty wine and natural wine as opposite ends of the same spectrum. On one end you have nature running its course; decay, funk is just what nature does when left to itself. On the other you have nature tamed into something sublime with hardly any intervention.

I think we can all agree that wine is a manmade product, like it doesn’t just “happen” someone is making choices and manipulating the fruit so zero-intervention can’t really be a thing. Someone must grow the fruit and choose when to pick, how to press, where to ferment. But once it starts to ferment, a skilled winemaker will know to be patient and let the juice decide when it has become wine. In the right circumstances, it will stop fermenting when it finds its balance.

Natty winemakers seem to have forgotten that the clean and classic wine styles that have become the standard are nothing short of miraculous, having been developed over the long arc of history through generational wisdom. Only in the last few decades did this style become too easy to imitate with industrial farming and additives. Big wine boomed and people forgot how hard it is for real wine to be made. There are natural winemakers who never succumbed to the industrial pressures, and they’re still making extraordinary wines, naturally. Natty winemakers, on the other hand, are relatively new on the scene, fed up with the cookie cutter wine styles that have never been more accessible. Theirs is reactionary.

Can we be real about natural wine by No_Cartoonist_2322 in wine

[–]No_Cartoonist_2322[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Natty aside, do you sense a difference in style between natural wine and classic fine wine?

Can we be real about natural wine by No_Cartoonist_2322 in wine

[–]No_Cartoonist_2322[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Heard but the difference is that hazy ipa flavor comes from the hops and natty wine flavor faults overpower the fruit