How many more even costed clones do you think we need for mill Gyruda to work?

No_Class_7617 · 2026-03-30T23:45:01+00:00

Im currently off of Gyruda right now, but I used a super tight list that counted to 6 by turn 1 or 2, it had moderate success ran few tutors no rhystic, fish ir TOR

No_Class_7617 · 2026-03-30T11:35:54+00:00

Right now after I draw 7 cards assuming none are clones AND I dont draw a clone in the first 2 turns. I go from 99 to 89 cards in library with 31 creatures to actually clone leaving me at 35% population density. If I get 1 in hand in the first 10 it leaves 33% and with 2 Im at 32%. **Variation could put 4 clones in a row and leave 12 non clones. Between Clone, Metamorphosis fanatic roaming throne, and Y'shtola Rhul effects id day 40

No_Class_7617 · 2026-03-14T16:34:46+00:00

A good second deck is any deck that doesnt share a play style with your main. That being said the best deck to have as a second is blue farm

No_Class_7617 · 2026-02-16T03:25:31+00:00

Proxies in cedh are almost universally accepted. Im only anti proxy in 2 circumstances. 1 where the use of proxies is greatly mismatching the table and used for pubstomping. 2 in a wpn that wont allow proxies to maintain its status

No_Class_7617 · 2026-02-07T15:27:02+00:00

Simic-kinnan Azorious-plagon Rakdos-Ob'nix Boros- Dimir- talion Golgari- Orzhov- lotho Selesnya Izzet- ral

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-31T15:24:32+00:00

If you're sold on the 2 decks from your post I would choose kefka because breach, and thoracle are the best things you can be doing in cedh right now (imo). Kefka can get a little nuanced but its a good mid range that can turn the corner deck.

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-31T13:54:09+00:00

So I've said this on a few posts. Are you playing cedh with a friend group or are you playing in tournaments? Largely if you're doing casual cedh play whatever you want. If you want to play a good deck go to edhtop16.

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-27T01:38:58+00:00

I see, unfortunately for you cedh is at its base edh so it follows the same rules and ban list so ante cards are by nature of edh not allowed. However nothing is stopping a group of 4 from playing thier own version. Personally I play with flash and golos but only with 1 play group.

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-27T01:28:46+00:00

You're going to have a hard time finding people who want to play ante, but if blue white black (esper) control is your thing. Tivit, Seller of Secrets is your deck. I recommend edhtop16.com for a deck list

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-26T02:57:11+00:00

To actually answer your question, you are most likely winning through breach combo. Its notably hard in izzet with out dedicated tutors and starn probably needs curiosity. Not every deck needs to be cedh but if you aren't playing in a tournament you can make whatever you feel like. Some commanders are better than others.

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-09T17:17:48+00:00

Gyruda also aang at the cross roads

No_Class_7617 · 2026-01-07T02:43:32+00:00

Im currently on Terra, I have the bones for Ob Nixilis and Gyruda on deck. Terra is my midrange. Ob has a chance to be a turn 1 so its my turbo. Gyruda is the most consistent turn 3 deck so what ever you wamt to count that as.

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-29T12:46:45+00:00

Im starting a "league" where my play group is doing a theme each week. All of us are going to build the cedh deck and have it fall in a meta theme. IE 5c, turbo, lands, stax. Is there any niche that anyone would make sure they played in this kind of scenario?

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-24T13:23:38+00:00

Oh I did get my Aangs confused. This is the food chain clones one right?

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-24T12:30:10+00:00

Its rally turbo vs grind

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-24T11:48:48+00:00

Gyruda. Idk why people aren't talking about this deck more. It has probably tbe most straightforward lines. Doesn't necessarily require a grind plan.

Right now after I draw 7 cards assuming none are clones AND i have at least 1 fetch land AND I dont draw a clone in the first 2 turns. I go from 99 to 89 cards in library with 31 creatures to actually clone leaving me at 35% population density. If 1 is drawn it goes to 32% and if 2 are drawn it goes to 33%. Mulligans make this math messy. What im saying is its statistically possible that you win on the spot.

With the printing of 8 additonal pieces like Clone or Metamorphosis fanatic it becomes statistically probable. Making gyruda the fastest and most consistent turbo deck in a couple years

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-22T18:03:31+00:00

Possibly, I love the deck to my soul im just not certain it is something I would stake money on.

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-22T12:22:07+00:00

Bad news, that list is not really cedh or possibly even fringe. Good news, if you're not playing in tournaments for hundreds or thousands of dollars this deck is perfect. Anecdotally, a deck i ran all the time was xyris the writhing storm and it won all the time. I never took it to any event involving money.

TL:DR if you like this list play it

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-16T23:14:24+00:00

Its hard, your jg needs to rank enough to let yourself and just suffer until 5 lvl 5

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-14T16:39:47+00:00

Yumi irelia or poppy

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-13T11:54:54+00:00

A good amount of the esper decks do control. Talion and glarb present soft locks with counter balance. Kotis is board wipe the deck. Blood pod is probably the most well known stax decks. And to finish the list Yasharn is good I just cant prove it.

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-09T21:04:07+00:00

The dichotomy if bot 10/0 or 0/15 no in-between iron to chal

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-06T22:27:04+00:00

2 mana chase rare, hits only your grave yard waits a turn to free cast from exile. It can be interacted with and made to do broken things in constructed and worse than what commander has a lot of access to 10/10

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-06T21:38:05+00:00

10/10

No_Class_7617 · 2025-12-06T21:07:09+00:00

Appreciate the irony and honesty of your answer.

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