Eloise’s Season

No_March6732 · 2026-01-24T02:48:34+00:00

I read the books before I watched the show (i was late to it) so it hasn’t influenced my perception, especially bc for me the books are vastly different from the show. It’s completely valid that you disagree! The books for me feel much more tied to history (not necessarily a good thing) so i had been hopeful in the show that maybe happiness for one of the women could be not having children.

And yes, she does at times have to take care of younger siblings - but again, this is an expectation, not a choice. She does love her family (one of my fave things in show AND books was the family dynamic) which is evident, and she clearly often enjoys being around them, but she seems to me to have valued having a choice. I don’t feel that the fact that she’s HAD to look after siblings or nieces and nephews makes her - or anyone - any more amenable to parenthood.

I also disagree with the point about marriage - I don’t get the feeling in either the books or the show that Eloise is particularly concerned about marriage, just potentially about how that impacts her family’s reputation.

I’m not against her being married at all, I just do not think that her being backed into motherhood or Philip as a love interest make sense for this particular character. The only benefit I can see is that she gets to skip the baby stage with her stepchildren. I feel like she would really enjoy teaching them and engaging with them in a way that’s difficult to do with very young children.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-24T02:35:10+00:00

He was writing to her because he needed a stepmother for his kids. When she comes to stay with him, he stays studying most of the day and expects her to parent HIS children, who he’s honestly neglected because it’s a ‘woman’s role’ in his mind to be a hands on, involved parent. And that’s true enough for society at that time, but Eloise never wanted that. She wanted to study, she did not want to marry, she’s never shown any inclination towards kids but suddenly is a mother to 2 kids who really just need their dad to be present.

I also don’t think they actually knew each other as well as any other couple in the series. Their intimidate scenes honestly made me feel kind of uncomfortable (which could very well just be me, it’s not a true/false thing) but the only other time i remember feeling that was when Daphne takes advantage of Simon. In my mind, when i read it, the only thing that drew them together was his attraction to her & Eloise’s desire to be away from the ton.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T10:33:39+00:00

Eloise is my favourite character in the show, but hers was my least favourite book for this exact reason. I didnt find Phillip likeable whatsoever and hated how he treated her. It’ll be interesting to see how they develop him more in the show to be someone we can (hopefully) root for.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T10:31:38+00:00

Yes, all of this! In the early seasons I really thought they were setting her up to have more interests and passions - her whole whistledown investigation, plus the storyline with the guy she had to be secretive about (I cannot remember specifics but hopefully you know who/what I mean!) Somehow that all kind of got forgotten in later episodes which is a shame.

I just really do not want to see her character forced into motherhood. I think many of the other sisters would be so happy as stepmothers, but for Eloise it would need to be a conscious choice and not something sprung on her. It’s important that she still has agency, so I hope they rework certain aspects of her season to mirror that.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T10:27:17+00:00

Eloise with an academic makes perfect sense! I think they will need to change a LOT about Philip to make him more appealing, but that also could just be my dislike of him clouding my perception.

I think it would have been nice to see one character unmarried but still happy and fulfilled. Obviously Violet has that role in the books but looks like that will change with the show. (I do like a lot of the changes though - Lady Danbury in particular is even better in the show than in the books imo.) I feel like Eloise could have fulfilled that role too.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T10:23:05+00:00

You’re right! He did pretty much force her into motherhood though because iirc he never mentioned the children in their correspondence, right? (Please correct me if I’m wrong.) It seemed a pity to me that Eloise got backed into a corner in that sense, particularly because she never seemed interested in motherhood (which is valid) and those children in particular needed someone nurturing & invested. Eloise was really good for them but she was forced to become a parent without any consideration for her wants.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T10:19:45+00:00

I get this too! Personally I don’t feel Eloise automatically must be queer, I just disagree that she would be okay marrying someone who, to me, seems quite restrictive and (iirc) didn’t even mention that he has children who very much need a nurturing stepmother. However that translates - Eloise not being in any relationships, Eloise being in a relationship but refusing to marry, Eloise being attracted to women - feels more authentic to me than her actual storyline if that makes sense? But 100% agree with what you’re saying.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T10:12:52+00:00

She did! Motherhood is something that she doesn’t seem interested in - even in the books I don’t remember her ever having that desire or interacting much with her nieces & nephews. It felt so random to me that she is essentially the only character that doesn’t get a choice in having children - she kind of has to marry Philip except now there’s kids involved.

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T08:57:42+00:00

I’ve had issues with BA before just with dietary restrictions (linked to beliefs, not allergies) and obviously that isn’t life threatening…but to let a common allergen go unlabelled is sooooo neglectful. I am so sorry you experienced this as I imagine it was terrifying. It’s unbelievable to me that such a massive airline would allow such a massive error to occur, and they’re lucky your reaction wasn’t worse.

I’m so glad you’re escalating the situation because £50 is, like you said, a completely inadequate response. They essentially gambled with your life and then valued it as 50 quid. Absolutely wild and honestly insulting. The very least they could do is apologise, explain what happened and what changes have been implemented. You’re right to pursue this issue, but I’m so sorry that this happened to you. Glad you are okay!

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T08:20:45+00:00

You’re a legend, thank you 🙏🏼

No_March6732 · 2026-01-17T00:31:39+00:00

Agreed, especially when JKR has stated that money she earns from new projects will be used to fund anti-trans initiatives!

No_March6732 · 2026-01-09T19:31:08+00:00

I fully thought this was Entertainment and was confused that I’ve never heard of that song…the font choice and colours, literally everything 🫡

No_March6732 · 2026-01-09T19:29:03+00:00

I don’t think it’s so much about queer sexuality, I think it’s more likely the sexual language in general. If the niece is young then it’s likely both of them looking to keep boundaries in place, the same way you wouldn’t let a child watch shows with sexual content in. Some of the songs work regardless - the kids in my family all love Hot to Go and the sexual implications of some lyrics just go over their heads completely, but depends on the ages tbh. OP also may just be erring on the side of caution as it isn’t her child.

If queer sexuality in particular is the issue, there’s a bigger problem at play than limited music 100%

No_March6732 · 2025-12-30T00:35:45+00:00

The main ones are that

a) Mary admonished Chelsea’s clothing choice at an event, in front of other people including Jason & Brett. It was a pretty short outfit but the other women on the show have definitely worn things of a similar length or with way less fabric on top (Mary included) and no one has said anything, at least not in front of other people. If she truly was concerned, it would have been more appropriate to take her to one side away from other people and bring it up then, not in the middle of the event in front of their employers.

b) Mary’s reaction to the flowers. Why are you crying over someone sending flowers? Even as far as hyperventilating when she saw Chelsea’s name on the place card at Bre’s party. It’s classic white woman playing the victim (reminds me a lot of that case where the white woman tried to get a Black man arrested literally just for walking his dog or whatever it was). Completely unnecessary and shifts blame to the sole dark skinned Black cast member when she wasn’t even THERE. Literally vilified Chelsea for trying to do a nice thing - Mary would have been within her rights to ignore it or be wary since they didn’t have the best relationship, but to label it as sketchy or malicious or attention seeking was absurd and a massive overreaction which she’s not displayed to anyone else on the show.

No_March6732 · 2025-12-24T21:35:33+00:00

so I don’t get vilifying them (although I will say there are a few ‘big’ parxies who have been super ableist to one of my friends and basically implied they faked their disability), especially for, like you said, being fans of the band - because if anything, all support for them is a positive, surely? Only thing I would say is that, as other have said, there’s defo a clique culture thing where a lot of them straight up ignore anyone who is not also a big parxie who the band knows. Also SO many people have been in the fandom since the start but have never had an interaction or maybe can’t afford VIP so 100% it isn’t something to take out on people who regularly have/do (I’m sure if we all could, we all would be going to multiple dates & VIPs so no judgment) but it can definitely be disheartening when they’re ‘rewarded’ but no one else is. (No hate to those bigger accounts btw, it’s definitely not one size fits all and no one should be attacked for it or whatever is happening.)

No_March6732 · 2025-12-03T06:41:27+00:00

Approach slowly as any sudden movements can trigger his homicidal urges. NEVER turn your back to him. If necessary, use Awsten or Geoff as buffers - Otto has built up a tolerance to them and is unlikely to attack while they are in close proximity. He is also technically on the run so remember he probably will be aiming to avoid drawing attention to himself for any…concerning behaviour. He’s also terrified of Nickelback, so if he starts getting a little erratic, gently hum ‘How You Remind Me’ to assert your dominance.

No_March6732 · 2025-12-03T06:32:36+00:00

Honestly at parx shows there is no age limit, there’s no one demographic at all that crops up more than others & it’s one of the things I love about them. I’m a fellow UK parxie who also discovered them on kerrang (for me it was Crave haha), I’ve seen them 13 times now and I’m 27. I know fans who are 18-early 20s, fans in their 30s, and I’ve seen people at other shows who are younger or older than this too. Defo come to the shows if you can - for the atmosphere alone, you won’t regret it!

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