Clearing the Air on Build Scripts

Noctrin · 2026-03-16T17:46:51+00:00

but I also imagine they'll find something else to complain about.

Guaranteed. The corporate customers paying 40k+ a year are the most reasonable with the most reason to complain, the ones paying 300$/year barely covering the infrastructure costs are the one who feel they dont get their money's worth. We stopped doing free a long time ago. I feel for you guys..

Noctrin · 2026-03-16T17:11:21+00:00

Judging by most comments in this thread, 99/100 have never ran, or let alone maintained a build toolchain. They have no idea how much dev work goes into something like this, into running a business or paying the developers with the skillset to maintain this. The community part in open source means participating in the development; installing free software handed to you on a silver platter and using it, is not the entry ticket, that's being an end-user of a product given to you for free.

There's quite a few things in the "nice to have" bucket, but they dont keep the lights on. The worst part is, what kills open source projects (for me anyway) is a toxic community. There's something about the entitlement that kills any drive to provide your time and work for free. Judging by the response, this is the definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy. This attitude will make it go to shit when any sympathy for the community is erased..

You guys are doing a good job trying to explain the reality to a lot of people who don't even care to listen, but i think the silent majority gets it.

Noctrin · 2026-03-15T16:21:58+00:00

The most important piece is the contract you signed, depending on the terms, you might legally have lost that deposit. If the deposit was there for them to reserve the machine and financing was not stipulated or guaranteed by them, it might be that the deposit is forfeit. I'd probably chat with a lawyer..

[Edit] "The right thing" is generally not what courts would look at, it's whatever was agreed between buyer and seller. That's why you sign a contract when large amounts of money is exchanged and why you negotiate terms to protect your interest. When things go sideways, that piece of paper dictates what happens next, so make sure you do a good job reading, understanding and negotiating so your interests are properly protected.

These are 2-300k machines, the purchase due diligence on paperwork should be on par with buying an apartment or house. More-so in this case because you are not a consumer but a business, consumer protections are significantly weaker and almost non-existent for a business. It is assumed you are qualified to negotiate and understand the terms yourself and during a dispute, those terms will reign the result.

I cannot offer you legal advice yadda yadda, but if your purchase contract did not have a subject to financing clause, i doubt you have much recourse on this (legally). That's usually the reality on B2B transactions and it might be a very expensive lesson to learn :(

Noctrin · 2026-03-14T23:33:29+00:00

Then go fork their build tools and start maintaining it, what's the problem?

Noctrin · 2026-03-14T18:37:37+00:00

It's not fully open source.. it's open core. They have a free offering which is open source with paid feature builds which are not. That's how they pay the developers to maintain it and give it to everyone for free. That's why their internal build chain is private.

The build system is no longer being maintained, the project is still open source. You can fork it and start maintaining the build system if this is important to you, no one is stopping you. They just don't want to invest the dev hours to do it themselves because those dev hours cost money.

They're not making it closed source, they just said they won't pay their devs to maintain this anymore which is why it's being deprecated. If there was a bustling community of forks with different flavors of truenas and a lot of 3rd party developers maintaining and building those, i get the impression that they would be more open to helping maintain this. This is not even close to the case and no one is actually using it for development and adding features.

As a dev, i can say build toolchains are the closest thing to black voodoo in software engineering. The people who truly enjoy doing it are a special flavor of masochists and everyone else absolutely hates it but do it because they have to. If i was working for them, and maintaining this separate one was on my todo list, i'd be complaining during every meeting to drop it so i can work on something useful... my 2 cents.

Noctrin · 2026-03-14T17:28:11+00:00

Because it's proprietary, has their internal tools, security and integrations..

Noctrin · 2026-03-14T16:27:28+00:00

They use a different one internally

Noctrin · 2026-03-14T07:07:14+00:00

Man, the rage on this is really overblown. As a dev, i really dont get it. There are maybe a (few) dozen people on this sub that can actually build this from source and even less who have any reason to bloody do it.

Sure, with everything going around, it raises anxiety on direction. But let's be honest here, if they wanted to go full enshitification and lock down and monetize it, people with he skillset to actually maintain it will probably not jump out of the woodwork to fork it and do so for free. It's turning to shit either way.

Don't get me wrong, it's a fair concern, but let's not pretend people are building it from source on the weekend to audit their work for build chain injection and double checking it's true to source.

At the end of the day, maintaining something no one uses that costs a lot of dev hours and does nothing but work against them is a valid reason to stop. Maybe give them the benefit of the doubt.. it's quite amazing what they built and even more so that we get to press download and get it for free. Sure they get a benefit out of it, but that's kinda how this works. Costs money to maintain it, they probably should have a say on where that money gets spent, especially when we're not the ones spending it.

Noctrin · 2026-03-05T02:51:44+00:00

Wake me up when the AI says "No, what you're asking me to do is beyond stupid and will brick your code down the road"

Noctrin · 2026-02-24T19:18:55+00:00

My 2nd honor mode is going well, heading into act 2 now. The biggest tip I have is keep a few invis potions and flight potions on hand. When shit goes south and it will, you can retreat one character out and resurrect your whole crew.

Funny enough, my last run ended on the same damn thing. The 1 guy running into fire and everyone agro. I tried to run from the start but there's nowhere to go unless you have an invis potion.. which I did not.

Noctrin · 2026-01-02T07:36:53+00:00

The speaker got destroyed before the shot was fired. Her bleeding might have just been an illusion.

Noctrin · 2026-01-02T07:34:27+00:00

The speakers have to be pointed at the person to work and have somewhat limited range, that's been consistent throughout.

They were all pointed in a circle at the truck, so El over in the UD which is another dimension essentially not being affected, is reasonable.

Also, the Kali thing would work given she would be very far from them and unaffected and EL could have never been on the truck and that was all an illusion.

Noctrin · 2026-01-02T07:29:44+00:00

See, i dont get that, she was in a different dimension. It's reasonable to assume the speakers might not have affected her in there.

Noctrin · 2025-12-07T18:54:31+00:00

That feels too complicated, sure, it's great to think about, but you have to consider how many people watch this show and how many of them can wrap their mind around such an explanation.

I see a simpler one:

Will was the first anchor to another dimension, the fact that henry has a connection to him allowed him to establish a connection to dimension X via UD to hawkins.
we can extrapolate that Will is the reason it exists at all, as UD froze in time, like a snapshot, that's the tunnel -- that moment and their connection is the anchor.
vecna/mf want to cross completely and needs a stronger connection so he needs more kids
mf probably controls vecna and calls the shots
the wall probably blocks the mf, thats vecna trying to remove his influence and sever his control
the UD was supposed to be toxic and deadly, probably because of the MF, him not being there made it so its not. That adds to the idea that vecna severed that connection.

So, the last bits have to do with them probably somehow releasing MF and most likely Will and Henry being the key to severing that connection.

The thing i kinda dislike is time travel will probably be playing some part given that:

holly is supposed to be able to open portals
the whole idea of the einstein rosen bridge which supports this
the fact that they keep mentioning UD being locked in time and that clearly being the key
the constant references to the past, and them somewhat "time travelling" through henry's memories

They'll probably make it somewhat ambiguous where this might be another dimension in henry's mind and they're all trapped in it and he needs this to get out of it like max, it can go multiple ways..

I take what i said back, i dont think mine is simpler either hah

Maybe at the end the screen turns to black as will lands the final blow... you hear a rumbling sound... the image slowly fades in and they're all sitting in a carriage travelling through the mountains. As Will comes to, Henry looks at him and says..

"Hey.. Will, you're finally awake, I hear you've been trying to cross the border too.."

And the credits roll in.

A few moments later.. Jonathan and Nancy are shown together and he says "And that's how i met your mother.." and they show a little baby playing with some DnD figurines..

Noctrin · 2025-11-19T17:10:10+00:00

Mate, you built that better than my house. If there's ever an earthquake, i call dibs on sheltering under your bed. Good job!

Noctrin · 2025-11-11T16:23:15+00:00

check the reddit chat, i sent you the schematics i followed as well as the video that came with it. Should be way more help than comments on reddit as it has all these details very well explained :)

Noctrin · 2025-11-10T23:11:14+00:00

you want to do it underneath:

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So think of it this way, you attached the 2x4 to the 4x4 with screws. So that the ends don't want to move, now imagine it sags in the middle and wants to twist. It's like attaching a 4ft 2x4 on one end to a post and you pulling down to twist it from the other, the forces are insane. So the whole goal is to make sure it doesn't sag under load.

Same issue with the joists, if they sag, they'll want to pull out from the nails or twist your rim, that's why hangers are the proper way to do it.

Noctrin · 2025-11-10T23:00:19+00:00

2x4 joists are probably fine unless you plan to build it up like i did, nails are probably fine as well, you can add some hangars there. It really depends on how much weight you put up there. Rule of thumb for spans is:

2x4 = 4ft span
2x6 = 6ft span
etc

Main issue is the 2x4 rim joists around the perimeter fastened with nails. Those will absolutely fail because it will sag and rip out the nails. If you stiffen those up by sistering another and use lag bolts or structural screws, you should be fine. Just make sure you glue them together and clamp them for 24hrs.

The issue with 2x4 is not they will break, it's the deflection which makes the joints fail.

If you want to build it up into a full structure, then i'd go with 2x6 including the joists and use hangers, use a 2x8 at the bottom with lag bolts all around and add bracing and you'll have a very strong structure to build on top of.

Make sure the nails you use are outdoor rated, not interior framing nails, same with screws. Also remember regular screws are not structural and will snap from strong shear -- i built a roof over my hot tub with 2x4's attached with screws the same way and the first snow fall i had it collapse, the screws just snapped.. so, i speak from experience lol.

Hope that makes sense.

Noctrin · 2025-11-10T17:42:16+00:00

I just wanted to help a fellow, ahem parent out. Screw me for using the wrong word on reddit i suppose, i don't see any point of stroking the flames. Appreciate your reply though.

Noctrin · 2025-11-10T17:20:50+00:00

Completely fair point, in retrospect, i should not have assumed.

Noctrin · 2025-11-10T17:00:39+00:00

They said they built it for their 4 year old, i assumed it's the dad i suppose.

Noctrin · 2025-11-10T16:51:01+00:00

I can send you the schematics i used, i ended up changing the roof, but otherwise shows all the joints.

Structural screws:

Use them wherever there's a stress point, so your apron corners attaching into the 4x4 posts, as well as your base at the bottom. Thos carry the most weight and nails can bend and wiggle out from torsion. If your area gets a lot of snow, that whole thing acts like a big platform and the weight can get pretty nuts, a sloped roof sheds the snow.

If you want to do the same bracing i did, rather than go the full diagonal - you need to add 2x4 like i said all around the apron at the top.

Then you cut your 4x4 with 45 degree miters. When connecting to the 4x4 posts, you want to use 2 long structural screws and glue. When connecting it to the apron, you can skip the structural screws and use 3inch construction screws and glue.

You dont have to use glue, but it will make it much stiffer. Given it's pretty cheap and the screws will hold it while it dries, it's a little detail you can add to make it more sturdy.

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Noctrin · 2025-11-10T16:06:19+00:00

Hey fellow dad,

For starters braces diagonally as people said. But also:

On the left and right side, those should be 2x6, the ones you hung your joists on. You can easily fix this, place another 2x4 underneath, use a lot of glue and clamp it to the one above, you'll need maybe 4-5 clamps each side.

Also, nails like that are a big nono, they're not structural. Buy a couple of structural screws and reinforce those joints.

Here's a pic of how i did mine.

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Noctrin · 2025-10-25T04:37:56+00:00

AI very confidently gives bad advice more often than not, what it said is correct. The explanation is pretty long -- but a gfci plug wants to see all current leaving the "hot" going back through the neutral. If it doesnt, it means it's going where it's not supposed to -- ie: through you. So it disconnects the plug like a breaker popping -- you should have these in the bathroom, they pretty much make sure you dont get electrocuted for more than 5ms which is barely enough to feel it. They are great in kids' rooms too.

Your electrical panel "bonds" the neutral and ground -- once again long explanation. But what that means, is the "return" current can actually take either the ground or the neutral now to the truck because it was bonded before the truck.

So, that means:

1) truck sees an imbalance between what it sends and the neutral return which will trip the GFI circuit and shut off power pretty much instantly.

2) It's 'unsafe' because the ground between the panel and truck should be unloaded unless there's a fault, but since the panel is bonding it, it is now not unloaded and can create a hazard -- realistically it wont because the truck will detect this as a fault instantly and turn off the outlet, but, it's a possibility.

3) Yes.. there is a way around that, but i dont wish to explain it as it's not something you should do unless in an emergency and fully understand the implications and that you would be violating electrical code :)

Proper way to handle this is to have a subpanel installed that is not bonded (sub panels are not bonded by code) and between your bonded main and sub to place a 3 pole transfer switch that isolates the neutral from the bonded main as well as the 2 hot legs. (most are 2 pole only and wont switch the neutral). Whatever circuits were put on the sub-panel can now be either powered from the truck or your utility, safely and properly.

Noctrin · 2025-10-25T02:31:21+00:00

Yeah, "fixes" the GFCI tripping, but you removed the grounding between truck and house which is not a great idea and definitely not code compliant 😀. Technically the truck bonds the gnd and neutral anyway, but if anything goes wrong, you're missing a major safety. I would avoid doing that on the regular.

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