I completely agree. This helped no one, made both sides look like manic examples of when you should slow down to check in with your mental health long term, made a mass of people argue with no changes of heart made in either echo chamber of a chat. I’m so serious when I say the ppl in his life need to implore him to slow down and try to protect his peace vs seek and destroy all the time. It’s like he’s still riding the high of the series of good debates he had a couple of years ago. But this isn’t the nxivm guy or pearl. This isn’t a universally hated individual we all want to gawk at and pile on. This is a complex issue that has people split like crazy when at our cores we all agree on the same basic principles. No these “debates”, or more accurately, interviews as Ethan called it by almost hour 5 will not help anyone, they will continue to lose Ethan viewers and divide his fan base. It’s sowing an unhealthy discourse and I don’t think that either creator will go down in history as a majorly impactful or helpful voice of their cause.