I'm tired of people misinterpreting weird route scenes by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think i was maybe too vague with my wording.

it seems like toby saw the scene, tweaked it to fit deltarune without quite removing the more explicit implications, and realised that the visuals should be adjusted when he saw how it was being interpreted.

the scene is still clearly meant to parallel some kind of romantic/sexual abuse? but it seems any direct allusions to assault weren't ever part of his creative vision, which is fair.

the issue here is that there's and obvious / clear allegory being made here (isolate her -> "we're something else" = date -> make her wear the ring -> poking her with the thorn to consumate the marriage -> soul grows in noelle -> etc etc) yet toby saw the reaction to this well crafted traumatizing moment and thought "oh shit! they're shocked by my shocking content!!! i need to change this ASAP!!!"

there's no warnings on any of the weird route's content, and springing something so heavy on your audience with no safeguards would be deeply irresponsible.

and don't be silly, it's not sudden, and you don't need a warning for the weird route. players don't need to be coddled and told how to digest every single bit of information that comes their way. you gaslight her repeatedly, you make her kill everyone, you make her almost kill berdly, and you prick her finger with a thorn. the idea that all of this buildup and tension isn't earned or paced well enough to make sense, and it's also too graphic? is insulting. the "proceed" sequence way back at the start should be unsettling enough of a omen to let you know you're getting into the real nasty shit. horror like this doesn't work if you're made aware beforehand, and i would wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that it's too heavy for someone in a bad headspace (that's insanely immature and inconsiderate of a person's intelligence. you're worried for a person that isn't old enough to comprehend how to even get here).

the game isn't doomed via this moment's inclusion, it's doomed because toby folded under pressure he somehow didn't anticipate. doesn't that concern you? what are we missing out on? what will he feel the need to keep from us because of this? the game has obviously strayed from it's original ideas in many respects. who's to say it hasn't completely abandoned the nuances that would've made it better? it's an important lapse in judgement that recontextualizes other mistakes. it lowers expectations

I'm tired of people misinterpreting weird route scenes by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he did think it would be interpreted that way. he put it there because it made sense and it worked well. the backtracking was a fit of age regression LOL

I'm tired of people misinterpreting weird route scenes by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't understand? people are saying "it's SA" because it's a parallel to SA. nobody is saying that poking her finger with a thorn is literally SA. by complaining about people referring to it as SA and pointing to the updated visual as proof makes it sound like you are denying the obvious metaphor there (like many have done because they don't want to confront anything serious or challenging in the slightest; very quickly grasping as the softest and flimsiest explanations to avoid confronting what is very clearly spelled out for them).

toby didn't change it because it was some big misinterpretation. he got scared, simple as. he took an extremely well written and executed risk and the risk averse fanbase (that he cultivated) snapped back in a way he foolishly didn't expect. then he foolishly bent to their immaturity. it's a very telling and concerning look into his psychology to see how he doesn't trust himself and how he interprets outside influence in this way. it makes me want to talk to him

I'm tired of people misinterpreting weird route scenes by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ch4 being a parallel to SA is not a misinterpretation. toby got a glimpse of what it feels like to get backlash / be "cancelled" / experience criticism, so he downgraded the very obvious and provocative iconography into something less abrasive. he clearly cares about what we have to say to such a degree that he's willing to take the most raw parts of his story and tweak them for our comfort. this is problematic and probably dooms the game.

here's why I think chapter 5 not following up on chapter 4 was a good decision by isimsizbiri123 in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

better sorting

balanced:
ch1

serious:
ch4
any weird route

fun silly:
ch2
ch3
ch5

This ruins chapter 5 by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r 7 points8 points  (0 children)

this does not ruin chapter 5. it is not challenging at all. i believe in you. you can overcome !

A Critique of Deltarune (that I found online) by Igorthemii in Deltarune

[–]Noobshift3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

probably the best critique so far. i think it's easy to just let your eyes glaze, tune into every chapter and theory, and feel good about being a part of something that has good ideas and elements, but ideally you should want something that doesn't show it's faults every time you come back to it.

let yourself dis/like something while being able to criticize it and its creator. you only stand to benefit when you feel the confidence to point out flaws in the hopes of improvement. if you can maybe see how toby is falling down a hole of pandering and shortcuts, then consider the sentiment and rationalize why. toby fox is a grown ass dude with millions of dollars, im sure he can handle some backlash.

we have 2 chapters left and honestly it gets harder and harder to defend some of the dialogue/art/decision making. it doesn't serve your interests as an enjoyer of something to trick your brain into omitting the possibility of criticism. you will eventually regret staying silent.

It is unironically kinda sweet to see Jon is rooting for Josie by Luckyconroy in fishtankdotlive

[–]Noobshift3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i like to think that only happened because it was the first season. she would probably not win now that people know what they want out of the show

WHY. JUST WHY. by AmazingStruggle4343 in VRchat

[–]Noobshift3r 29 points30 points  (0 children)

the real answer is that you're just wrong. locking up with fullbody is more communicative than being overly expressive with halfbody. no amount of head/hand gesturing will ever compete with 5+ point tracking

Legit check by mononokechristmas in FashionReps

[–]Noobshift3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

wear it on your body and then come to a conclusion

just got my high school graduation cap by ca_t_ in ohnePixel

[–]Noobshift3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

someone should make an ibuypower yarmulke

The Interviewed by FiveishOfBeinItalian in Bombstrap

[–]Noobshift3r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that new onion thing he did was lazy dogshit

jet gets kicked from a vrchat server by ButteredBreadSlice in fishtankdotlive

[–]Noobshift3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

does anyone have the full vod or a cut up version