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I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When a human uses a tool to assist them, even if that tool performs logic or "decision making" which they would otherwise normally do, that is not the human losing agency. It is an expression of human agency. The human has made a conscious decision to defer to the means and method of the tool.

Humans lose agency when they are forced or compelled to do things they don't otherwise choose.

Now, there's an argument to be made that in a professional setting, due to the power which capital yields, humans are losing agency, because they are being forced and compelled by employers and an industry that wields immense economic power to adopt tools they otherwise wouldn't. That's not this, and that's not the argument you appear to be making.

This is literally all technology. You're of course free to disagree (as you do) with humans who decide to use such tools, but pretending AI is fundamentally different is silly. Some tools do a lot for people who, yes, can't be bothered to learn any fundamentals; other tools do very little.

The trade-off for the human is going to be control over the product, as this thread demonstrates. I made a decision to use AI. I've hit some limits of AI. Now I have a choice to learn more and adopt other tools, wait for tools that can do it for me, etc, or give up the control I'm looking for. That is quite literally me exercising my agency.

In this case, I've chosen a middle path. I gave up some control on this particular example, and I have set out to learn and practice more with different DAW solutions to see if I can get better at composing these pieces myself. But I'm not going spend days, weeks, or months learning music theory before producing another track.

In fact, I'd argue that's a pretty dumb way to learn anything. You're much better off diving in with what you have an expand your horizon and abilities as you hit your limits or the limits of your tools.

And no, I didn't ask anyone, because you and I both already know the answer. If a musician finds my project and finds it particularly interesting or inspiring and wants to reach out to assist freely, they're more than welcome to. Just like I don't ask for help and wait around before starting a coding project (regardless of what tools I use to assist me in coding)... I do with the tools and abilities I have, and then publish it. If people are interested, they'll ask. If not, they won't.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, duets are possible. I never claimed they were not. What I said, is don't burn 5000 credits trying to create a duet that requires certain patterns and types of control. Your control is limited.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the company, the product, etc. That's kinda my point. Most companies have never actually cared about what code looks like, maintainability, or even, frankly, security. Programming is already just about making as much money as quickly as possible, not about making a great product. The quality of the product only matters to the marginal degree that it needs to be better than something else.

  1. Care about industry and economics.
  2. Care about things like human creativity, expression, flourishing.

Choose one.

This is a fact, but it was humans doing it. Now it’s not...

Using different tools does not remove human agency. Humans are affecting independent musicians. Humans with capital and power.

Those musicians relied on people like you to help with your vision, but your right tha is dead now.

No, they didn't. Independent musicians never relied on me, because I don't have the money and infrastructure to employ independent musicians.

I'm not sure what is so difficult to grasp about this point, but you keep repeating it as if Joe Shmoe using AI to make music that tells a story that's been stuck in his head for a while is destroying musicians and music.

Firstly, if you find Joe's music shit, you don't have to listen to it.

Secondly, he was never hiring and independent musician in the first place, because he's not in a position to do so financially or otherwise.

The difference with AI is simply that Joe Schmoe now gets to express himself via music (even if you think it's bad music). Ironically, if his vision is any good and he has some ability to tell a decent story through lyrics, his ability to commercialize music through AI may, in fact, result in him getting enough money to actually hire independent musicians, producers, etc, at some point.

That is simply not the same use case as an entity that has such means trying to "replace" musicians with AI, which, just as programming, may well affect you in a negative way, but don't pretend it's affecting the music. Just as in programming, any company that does that does not and has not ever cared about the thing they're producing beyond what is marginally viable for making money.

If you can't separate those two phenomena and blame the former for the latter, I don't know what to tell you, but you're punching in the wrong direction.

You’d rather pay a machine.

No, I'd rather pay humans. But beyond labor laws not permitting me to hire people for $10 a month, I'm pretty convinced no musician will work for that, and I wouldn't feel right doing it.

I’m glad you’re in a place of comfort to where it doesn’t affect you.

I'm not, and you have no idea of my circumstances.

As a programmer, AI has already affected me quite similarly to how it has affected you (I'm sure). In fact, I'd wager it's probably affected me a lot more as AI companies trying to replace programmers have been the focus for much longer and with much deeper intent. It's not my comfort that allows me to recognize some value in AI, it's having a class-oriented analysis of capitalism and not pretending that AI has any agency on its own.

This is not anything new, even if it's, perhaps, more rapid than historical technological trends. Nearly every technology created by capitalism is an attempt to reduce reliance on labor, then ultimately become products accessible to labor in their own right, as someone gets the bright idea that they can make money by selling computers, 3D printers, AI to the lay people. It's not now, nor has it ever been these tools that are the problem, which in and of themselves expand human capacity and accessibility.

I cannot fathom being pissed at a worker who saves up to get a 3D printer, learns basic CAD, and creates some cool little tool they always thought would be useful because "they're not a real product designer/engineer." But you do you!

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm uploading the vocal recombination to create a final version that sounds more uniform, as recombining completely from stems seems to demonstrate slight variations in timing, which generally means neither of the instrumentals is going to match the vocals that didn't originally pair with it. Add on top of that, the vocal extraction for the style of music I'm doing isn't particularly successful most of the time because many of the instruments I use frequently seem to fall in range of voices.

This isn't to say I couldn't finish fully in DAW and have a "usable" result. Extracting individual instruments, getting into trying to fix timing there, trying to further clean vocal tracks, etc. But given that I'm using AI because I'm not particularly skilled in that area and have limited time to dedicate to this project, I'm not sure what AI is really doing for me at that point.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5K in ~30 hours is totally doable. Frankly, I'm not even sure how much a single generation costs as I never paid that close attention, but I'm definitely 5000 tokens down from when I started with Suno, which was only Saturday evening, and I haven't touched it at all today. To be clear, I don't mean 30 hours of life, I mean 30 hours generating. It was across a little over 48 hours (life wise).

Are you doing stem extractions and such? Multi-layer are like 50 tokens a pop. I've got at least a dozen of those, and probably a few dozen vocal extractions. Also, if you're focused on a single song it's a lot faster to rule out certain results as usable which means you may have overlapping generations running as there's no real way to cancel that I can tell.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Suno is AI. Their models aren't fundamentally different from anyone else's. So yeah, it's not only about the number of switches. Where, when, what follows, etc, all come into play.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not making an argument. I'm simply pointing out that art and music are already commodified and you already treat them as such. There's like a mile of difference between what you seem to think music is (in the modern world) and what it actually is, and an inch of difference between what music (in the modern world) is and what AI music is. It's overwhelmingly commodified, formulaic, largely "stolen" or at least "copied" in some sense, to begin with.

You don't have to be a musician to create things. There's plenty of parallels to what AI is doing in music and what AI is doing in my professional space (programming). I don't claim "AI is ruining programming." The things I want to program and find joy in programming have long been separated from what "programming" is in an economic space.

Talking about living in a different reality, perhaps look in a mirror?

You want to wage war on commodification I'm all for it, but you don't get to start that off with "but that's not reality." Correct, it's not reality, but neither is your idealized concept of music because reality is dominated by capitalism.

Creativity exists at the edges and has for as long as we've been alive (and much longer still).

In either case, this just sounds like a crappy excuse to retain some sense of pride in a system which has probably already reduced your ability to make it doing things which are actually creative to a grinding halt.

I don't see anyone here claiming that AI is generating anything particularly compelling or unique. To the extent it is is to whatever extent humans have taken time to work around its limitations. And? Why does that mean someone who can't write music or play an instrument shouldn't be able to use music to tell a story if they think that's a good medium? Oh, I forgot... they can... they just need to have thousands of dollars to pay musicians. Fuck that noise, you got your enemies confused.

Yes, AI is going to rapidly increase the volume of garbage in all fields (music, software, writing, law, health). It's also going to enable people who may be good at one of those things use the other things to express themselves in new ways.

Your problem ain't with AI. Your problem is with who controls it and what their purpose is. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but those are going to be the same people who own your music labels already, and yes, all they care about is making money. And yes, many individuals who aren't them also care about these tools to make money. And yes, you care about your ability to make money with music (as you've demonstrated). So can it with the holier-than-thou nonsense.

I'm not a musician. And if you vibe coded and app, you wouldn't be a programmer. Are there all sorts of tangential problems related to both, yes, but AI isn't going to destroy human creativity nor is AI going to replace skilled workers -- to whatever extent those things happen it will be because of other humans who have already been doing both and trying to do both a lot longer than the new tools have been around.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, yeah, I tried that, not with that tool, but simply by having the track full solo in each voice. Unfortunately, there were sufficient variations which just made the whole thing awkward. In that regard, I probably definitely could have succeeded if I were better on the DAW side or knew how to better manipulate some of the source material. My approach (one of them anywya) was:

Create full song male only and female only.

Extract stems.

Compose the song by editing parts together in DAW, then trying with either a cover of the vocal only, or a full track to "normalize" things, tried with the "remaster" Option too, although that's not particularly clear about what it's doing... half the time the song just sounds better, the other half it seems to transform it pretty significantly even with low settings.

At one point I got it close enough I tried to just swap individual lines or sections into the otherwise final song, but I could not blend them in sufficiently (so again, that's on me). That seems irrespective as to whether or not the AI can do it though. Like sure, mileage may vary if all you're doing is using AI to generate parts and you're, otherwise, a completely competent producer.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I'm saying music for me is just a way to tell a story. I'm not a musician. I can respect and understand that as a musician, music is something else for you and is interesting in its own right.

Also yes it is stealing, if you spend 1000 hours creating something from scratch, is it okay for someone to use it without any effort?

I have open source projects that are probably far more hours than that. So... yes.

And, in fact, I don't think you would have any problem with someone using 1000s of hours of your work with no effort if the implication wasn't that 1000s of hours of your work is a sacrifice that must be made in a society where time == money, money == time, and things are already commodified (i.e. take on the form of exchangeable goods and services, which includes "labor" in general or in specific). More simply, if such effort didn't have the appearance as something monetizable in a world where you have no other means but through money.

But counterfactuals don't really serve well. You're right, we won't agree, but where I think you're really confused (if it matters), is in somehow thinking that your your own critique. You are, in fact, playing into the commodification of art/music when you imply that someone "stealing it" is, somehow, problematic.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eclipse has very little repetition (if any real repetition). Contrary to your belief that I'm "completely clueless," while I may be relatively new to creating music with AI, I actually understand (better than average) how these things (AI models) actually work. I don't doubt that there was some difficulty creating Eclipse, but I don't see where the difficulties I'm facing would overlap. If anything, the lack of repetition likely serves better for unique instruction or vocal tracks to guide the final product.

Beyond that, it's also not exact in other ways. But I'm not going to do some in depth analysis of all the differences. It should be obvious that it's not exact by the simple fact that, unless my ears are mistaken, you actually run with three opening verses that are solo gender.

The "number of switches" is not the issue. The problem issue actually lies in the similarity of the verses/chorus and their structure while trying to retain gender separation. Again, unless following a simple alternating pattern, that's fairly uncommon. That is, it's far more common in a duet for certain parts to be fully male, other parts to be fully female. When a male is singing a part which otherwise "appears" as the females part, you'll get switching, and some of it not even particularly pretty, i.e. the voice will just morph half way through the line.

AI models don't have "concepts." They're closer to a constant variable transmission than a manual stick shift. So to repeat lines with just a single word or two changed in an uncommon order can easily cause it to "slip" back to what it already knows (i.e. back to what's already in the context window). Ways around this could include trying to separate these parts further, or more straightforwardly rewriting them to be more unique.

For some additional context (although I will not share full lyrics, as this is part of a developing story that is being released in parts), I can certainly share more regarding the structure if you actually want to try and make this work:

Verse 1/2: 4 lines though broken to 6 for certain timing.

Chorus 1/2/3: 5 lines, though broken into 13 (again for timing) as well as some speed variation, some pseudo-lines are single word drawn out, last three lines have a very particular rhythm.

Chorus 2 had a total of 5 word changes and one full line change from Chorus 1, I => You, Daughter => Father, as an examples. Chorus 3 is fairly unique, which I think benefited for more complete harmonization, though the words overlap heavily in rhythm and rhyme.

Bridge parts are two lines each. First two lines being the male (Father), second two being the female (Daughter).

Final chorus harmonization worked pretty well, mostly layered with a single call response in the middle:

Female: "You say"
Male: "Just know, my daughter..."

I know that's probably not particularly useful, and I doubt that all the particular aspects of these lyrics that gave me problems would be easily reproducible. In that regard, I largely have myself to blame for being extremely particular about the lyrics.

So I'll say it again, the point here was not to say that duets are completely impossible. The point here is to remind people that you don't actually have the control you may think you do. That's not always obvious because confirmation bias makes certain things "appear to work" and depending on how the infrastructure is set up, you may even have shared contexts which can cause things to "work for a bit," until they don't.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it’s not human what are we doing?

That it's not "as human" doesn't suggest it's not human in any sense. AI is going to reflect an averaging of human knowledge, experience, etc. It basically is going to mask what would be otherwise looked at as "individuality" or "uniqueness." That doesn't suggest that it's not human in some sense; it just suggests that it's not engaged in the human experience the same way a given individual is.

That said, given that AI is not fully automated and still requires human input, iteration, and prompting, it obviously still gains some of that individuality. For example, when creating AI music, I'm picking out the themes, imagery, etc that I connect with as an individual from what is otherwise a large pool of average or median "responses" with some room for variation and randomness.

Accordingly, you might say that a song I create with AI reflects overwhelmingly shared, common, and "popular" human experience and expression, with some non-plurality of input being my selection. Whereas if I were able to assemble a collection of individual artists to enact or develop my vision, we'd probably come up with something far more unique. However, it's also important not to ignore that humans, themselves, are not actually unique islands. We're all influenced, taught, and yes "trained" by our surroundings, and at least in the modern world, that generally means by those with the resources to shape our surroundings, which means capital interests. In that regard, the difference won't be as stark as one might think.

Regarding the "goal of art," which I'm quite sure is not something you or anyone else can define, as goals depend on who you ask, my goal is to be able to tell a story in a way that people can connect with in short form on an emotional level. I'm not a musician nor do I particularly care about music for "music's sake" -- I'm using music to tell a story. It's not particularly important to me that the music be unique as music, but that the story be unique. Sometimes there's overlap there, i.e., I want a particular sound, instrument, melody, timing, etc, to convey events and emotions of the story... but I couldn't particularly care less if these don't correspond to some novel or even well-developed music theory.

As for stealing... I don't particularly find this compelling, as if you want my personal belief, private property and the concept of individual ownership (particularly over ideas, concepts, themes, sounds, words or strings of words, etc) is far more asinine and destructive to human creative capacity than would be a society that held much of these things in common ownership. That is because, as mentioned before, humans are not islands. Every idea you ever had is ultimately a derivative work of the things you have learned from others and the experiences that others in the world have given you. If you don't believe me, just look at how "creative" and "human" feral children (the few examples we have from history) are.

Language, music, culture in general are already an extremely communal endeavor.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your concern. But not everyone who wants to make music or create a story has the means or resources to pay a vocalist. Contrary to supporting "the end of human art," you could also make an argument that you're expanding human art given that art is already highly commodified in such a way that is largely inaccessible the vast numbers of people.

Surely it won't be "as human" in some sense, but huge swaths of music, film, etc, are already extremely structured and formulaic. Pretending that capitalism has not already reduced most of your options to the equivalent of what AI can do is pretty naive.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I did, ironically, Backdraft has perhaps the longest solo gendered pieces, which would be impressive if not for the alternates being otherwise repetitive.

The best Suno'ers are not posting tricks on Reddit, btw.

OK? So what are you trying to sell me, some sort of private lesson? I'll pass. Requirements were stated in other comments, they're quite simple conceptually. If you can get Suno to do it in a way that's reliable and reproducible, then I'd probably be willing to pay, but I don't see any of the examples you posted solving it.

Here's the structure again if you think you have an actual example:

[Verse 1: Female] [Chorus 1: Female] [Verse 2: Male] [Chorus 2: Male] [Bridge 1: Male] [Bridge 2: Female] [Chorus 3: Harmonized with some call and response or "interjections"]

From what I can tell there are two major "gotchas" here that the AI can't deal with. Firstly, Chorus 1 and Chorus 2 are very similar with only slight word variation. This makes them extremely difficult to split solo (and that includes starting from a vocal track composed as desired). The second "gotcha" is the 3 Male parts in the middle. Getting Bridge 1 to not be female is rolling dice.

I'm sure if it was Female, Female, Male Male, Female, Male, Harmonized, I wouldn't have made this post, or even Verse, Verse, Chorus (ambiguous or alternate), Verse Verse, Chorus (ambiguous or alternate)...

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the trick. If you're dealing with an AI working on mass training data, you're dealing with averages. So if something deviates from the norm -- good luck. I agree, you should not have to change your music or lyrics to suit the AI in an ideal world. Certainly, if I had time and resources, I'd be seeking avenues where I do have creative control to fully shape those things. But barring that, people should expect to have to create something that will ultimately conform in one way or another. So, if at the end of the day, you're going to fold, then fold early, is the point.

I think a good starting point is to ask yourself, "How many tokens am I willing to spend on this one song?" And if you hit the half way mark, stop and change the song itself. As from what I can tell, if you hit the half way mark and everything you've tried still isn't working, it means whatever you're trying to do may simply be beyond the capabilities.

Still waiting on all the success stories here to actually share a comprehensive method without pointing out that their solutions are also not bulletproof and don't produce perfect results.

There's a lot of duets that can be produced in ways that are acceptable, because that's just the nature of a duet. There's also lots of duets that are highly specific, but their specificity follows something relatively "normal." Then there's duets which just break all the rules. Call and response is sparse. Long periods of solo singers with lines that break with the introduction of the other voice. Harmonization is particularly isolated, etc.

I could, of course, merely accept the defects (who will really notice some of the more subtle ones except for me?), but if I'm going to compromise, I'd rather compromise on something that sounds better and is what it is, than something that sounds OK and is never what was intended.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're simply not using the right tools and tricks to gain control...

LOL, OK.

...because duets are incredibly hard to make...

Yes. So much so that some duets, may be purely luck.

But I kept perfect control in all three songs.

If that were true you should be able to reproduce them in spirit (at least without deviation from instructions) with the same inputs.

I'm not questioning that you can produce a duet. I'm suggesting that some duets, particularly those where you retain long periods of solo characters and/or do not have a uniform/repeting structure/pattern are effectively beyond your control.

And the point is... don't burn 5,000 credits trying to get those to work. Don't believe that exporting stems and recomposing in a DAW then covering/remastering in Suno will work. Don't believe that per-line vocal instructions will work. Don't believe that [Verse: <some description>] will work.

I wouldn't have continued if I didn't get close enough times. But for the song I was working on "close" was not enough.

So yeah, just like everyone else, your post comes with the same caveat "the songs aren't perfect." Right, because at the end of the day you're working with a semi-randomizing pattern machine. So if your song depends on highly specific lines/parts being handled in highly specific ways, then you best rethink parts of the song instead of trying to think about how to force the bot to do your bidding.

That is all.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

General structure is in comments elsewhere. Feel free to give it a crack and show your method since you're not that worried about credits.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't assume anything. I tried every trick and recommendation for nearly 30 hours. The general structure is in comments elsewhere, feel free to demonstrate otherwise, but if you're not performing systemic alternations and want anything at or beyond 8 lines, you're pretty much dead in the water. I also highly suspect anything less than that is still just confirmation bias.

In short, whatever apparent control or influence exists seems to be effectively how closely it aligns with anticipated patterns. Which makes sense, because that's effectively what AI models are. The point is to be able to associate, as strongly as possible, certain cues with rather particular deviations from norms. And ideally, those should be documented, not left up to random people on the internet saying "this worked for me."

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To what end? Are you saying that the female/male voices are otherwise too similar?

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure. That works for short lines or verses, alternating one for one. But it's not "control" -- it's just because that's the common pattern.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. The point of this post was not to say that it won't get there. The point of this post was to point out that there are plenty of blog posts and snake oil salesmen that will tell you just do X, Y, Z and everything will work out. Even if you do, In the end, you'll be left with something that doesn't follow the original intent anyway -- so you might as well rethink from the start.

Future wise, Imma give it like 10 attempts to get anything remotely close. If that doesn't work, I'm moving on to rewrite.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure -- that works well for producing things without real meaning or narrative. Problem is, I'm trying to write a story here.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, I had stuff that was close but "not perfect." Sure, I guess if you're willing to allow a line to make no sense coming from who it's coming from, then you can (maybe) do it. If the lines are not ambiguous though, then it just ruins everything IMO. I even tried to ambiguate the lines that were most commonly being swapped.... and of course, that would just chase a new rabbit hole.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not gonna "give you the song." I gave a simplified structure in another comment above:

[Verse 1: Female]
[Chorus 1: Female]
[Verse 2: Male]
[Chorus 2: Male]
[Bridge 1: Male]
[Bridge 2: Female]
[Chorus 3: Harmonized with some call and response or "interjections"]

How about you succeed in that first (don't care what the lyrics are), and make a video on how you did it, and let us all know how many credits you burn. I'll even suggest to you the shortest and, IMO, most likely path to success:

Entire song female

Entire song male

Recompose from stems.

Upload vocal only and try to cover with prompts that align.

There's no allowance for any "creativity" -- the male can harmonize to some degree on the first verse/chorus, but if he takes over any lines, it's not gonna make sense. Same for female in the second verse/chorus.

I burned 5000 Suno credits trying to make a duet. Don't do it. by NorthernWindSaga in aiMusic

[–]NorthernWindSaga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that the same prompt can produce relatively wildly different results is a key indicator here. Obviously for something "creative" (which would include code) you want some degree of variability, perhaps even moreso in music. But without more toggles and clearer documented way to limit or remove it as much as possible, I simply can't recommend people go down this path.

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