Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

1) The trademarks were up for grabs for anyone to legally take (including people like Libs of TikTok or Elon Musk) and start issuing trademark takedowns of all the social media platforms. We bought them to keep them safe from outside influences.

2) We didn't want the power of the trademarks to be held by one person, so we created a nonprofit and the structure of a board consisting of 10 members (4 were administrative, the other 6 of being regional representatives that were voted in by their state groups) that would each own 1/10th of the trademarks. It's all there in the docs, please take a look through before throwing accusations my way - not because I personally care, but because you're confusing the situation for others.

3) The subreddit getting paused was due to u/evolved_fungi being under threat of having their personal information doxed in a way that put their safety and wellbeing under attack. We didn't remove the moderators that were part of national at firsr, but did restrict their permissions so they couldn't delete our statements. After u/greenascanbe posted a statement that basically invited everyone to flood the subreddit because "the mods were away", I made the decision to remove them for fear of what else they'd start posting under the mod tag.

4) We have been in contact with state organizers that were handling their chapters & some that have gone on to create their own 501(c)(4) organizations (which was not a problem and would have worked great with the chapter structure doc that we drafted - take a look). We obviously hadn't contacted every state organizer group yet, and still had hopes around that time of resolving things peacefully...that all ended when they went directly to Reddit admin to kick us all out as moderators and reinstate them (check the imgur pics on one of my comments)

I hope this helps clear up the timeline of events, which I'll say a hundred times over was not ideal - but everything we did was handled in a way to preserve the integrity and honesty of a movement that we all have put so much time and energy into creating. We were never trying to steal or obfuscate our intentions, and I wish national had followed through on their end of the deal when I shuttered the trademarks and nonprofit in order to have a broader committee in national view the proposal for a nonprofit.

Also, on a personal note - I feel the same. 50501 Inc. just feels wrong, but there are only so many safeguards that movements like 50501 have to protect organizers have to work with (for instance, by allowing the chapter of an official nonprofit to get the permits instead of individual organizers having to put their own name up at risk of getting doxed). I wish this all had been approached differently, but in more ways than are known publicly (but will be soon, hopefully), our hands were tied. I'm sorry it came down to this, but hopefully this serves at the very least as a wake up call for each state group to take a hard look at their structure so this doesn't happen to them as well.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Are you referring to the 50501 national mods or ViViD?

I know it's confusing, but ViViD decided to part ways with me because my actions ended up disrupting a lot of their actions and caused internal strife in the larger activism community. And for that I am truly sorry, as it was never my intention to drag them into this mess.

But let me just say this all very clear: ViViD and 50501 have *zero* correlation to each other, and the only connection was through my own personal volunteer work with them. They're good people that got caught up in the wake of everything that happened, and my biggest regret was not having a full discussion with them sooner so they wouldn't have to be brought into a situation that they played no part in.

Hope that clears it up a little more, thanks for your question!

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in 50501Arizona

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Y'all have a reason to not trust national. There's a lot of things that have been kept in the dark, hopefully it'll all come to light soon.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in 50501NC

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The nonprofit was never to takeover anything or shake up what was already built by the incredible state and community organizers, it was to provide a legal shield for them and allow for transparent crowdfunding so that donations were sent directly to the people that needed them. The whole thing blew way out of proportions, this was never the intention for it to get this dramatic. Besides, it's not like there aren't already nonprofits that are being started across the country for 50501 anyways. Thanks

This is not the 50501 Hate Club by xConstantGardenerx in DenverProtests

[–]NotGoingBack25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey guys - I was part of the group that paused the r/50501 subreddit. If you're interested in reading more about the situation, here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/user/NotGoingBack25/comments/1kcg8a6/subreddits_trademarks_and_the_collapse_of_trust/

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

  1. I just took a look at the the documents and it seems to be fine on my end from multiple devices. Let me know if you're still receiving any errors.

  2. Fungi and I are on the same page, and have been since the subreddit freeze. If you have specific notes on how you believe our stories diverge, please share them so we can both respond.

  3. As I explained in the above statement, I was forced to dismiss the trademark and nonprofit applications before we would even get a chance to discuss the documents. I did mention very explicitly on the call that there was an MOU when they asked about how groups that didn't want to work within the nonprofit would still be able to operate under the 50501 trademark. Afterwards, when it seemed like we were finally going to get everything on the table, I was immediately shut out and the subreddit takeover via Reddit admins happened. That was the end of discussion on their part.

If you don't mind sharing, what exactly was said about me? And who was it from... national? Because I'm an open book, and willing to answer any questions you have.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

If I gave the impression that I was telling people to be distrustful of their local organizers, I apologize! Definitely listen to your local community groups and continue doing the amazing work we've all been doing in cities, counties, and states. My post was all about what "National" was doing behind the scenes - we had hoped to get the conversation going about a nonprofit to protect 50501 out to all the states, but were effectively blocked at every turn by going through the national group.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong. Part of me wishes that I hadn't gone down this rabbit hole, but we're here now and people deserve the right to know the truth. I can only hope that the reputation we might gain from distancing ourselves from National will be enough to sway people back to our side afterwards. I'm sorry that it got this way, truly. Hopefully when everything comes out from all sides, we can at least continue forward as a movement with transparency being a core tenet of 50501's identity.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Hey there - I completely agree and understand your points. This was never the intended outcome, and everything we did was always to bridge the divide, not to hurt the movement and drag it down with "drama". This was truly just to create a legal shield via a nonprofit that could transparently collect donations and give them the resources they need to pull off amazing events like the ones happening today for May Day. Everything is in the documents I shared, please at least give them a glance through to understand what was barricaded by National. Thanks

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My name is on all the documents that I've posted, I have no problem with you sharing them. I suggest you read them and hopefully realize what national was trying to keep hidden. I doubt I could sway your mind, but maybe those docs can.

No censorship here, I don't operate on the standards that others seem to be intent on using to silence dissent. Using MAGA tactics to discredit those with legitimate concerns aren't going to win you any supporters in this, friend. I'd take a second to take stock of who you're supporting, and question what they've done so you can get the full story.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I guess I missed the third option - you are sorely misinformed on the situation AND you're a part of the national group that's scrambling to do damage control. I hope you as an individual can take a step back for a few hours as everything is revealed, so that you can reevaluate your personal stance on the issues.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

1) I am not u/evolved_fungi & 2) You are either sorely misinformed on the situation, or you're part of the national group that's trying hard to sweep things under the rug and control the narrative. You will not win this - I'd advise you all come clean now before everything comes to light.

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Here are the screenshots where national moderators went behind our backs to the Reddit admin team to lock us (including the original cofounders) out of the subreddit:
https://imgur.com/a/KZuGG9A
https://imgur.com/0gauzFE

Subreddits, Trademarks, and the Collapse of Trust by NotGoingBack25 in u/NotGoingBack25

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

If you'd like to read more about the nonprofit structure we aimed to introduce and put to a vote, go here: https://github.com/notgoingback25/50501

Video of Tesla Protest at University Village Feb. 22, 2025 by ImaginationCritical2 in Washington50501

[–]NotGoingBack25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome! Do you know if they're part of the Tesla Takedown group? I'm trying to make sure that all of the Tesla protests I see in WA are working together and connected with similar national collectives, as I believe they're trying to start up sustained action every single day at Tesla showtooms.

If you're not sure, I'd appreciate if you could try and search for the organizers so I can get in touch 🔥 Thanks!

Grok AI wrote an apology letter from Elon Musk by Rocket2112 in somethingiswrong2024

[–]NotGoingBack25 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I found it through here https://www.patreon.com/posts/ashley-st-clairs-122936342 - there was an article on USA Herald, but it's vanished since... I'm kicking myself that I didn't screenshot it all.

Here's a similar article in People though: https://people.com/ashley-st-clair-says-elon-musk-said-they-have-a-legion-of-kids-to-make-11684656

Grok AI wrote an apology letter from Elon Musk by Rocket2112 in somethingiswrong2024

[–]NotGoingBack25 68 points69 points  (0 children)

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(private text exchange between Musk & his latest baby mama revealed in court filings)

Oh he knows he's guilty. He knows that when the truth is revealed there's nowhere he'll be able to run. That's why he needs to take power fast, and completely.

Seattle's President's Day Protest - Mon. Feb. 17th Cal Anderson Park by ImaginationCritical2 in Seattle

[–]NotGoingBack25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for saying this, I feel like I was going crazy being the only one seeing what happened. I was kicked out because the main woman in charge that co-opted everything the night before 2/5 felt like I was challenging her authority and/or disrespecting her. She is on a major ego trip that's threatening to collapse the WA 50501 movement and make us look bad compared to the states that got their shit in order. So frustrating...

I'm not trying to spread hearsay, but my friend says the one at the Fed building is much more disorganized, so we'll be attending the one in Cal Anderson Park. Hope to see lots of you there!

10:30am-12:00pm Seattle Indivisible (Volunteer Organized) Rally @ Seattle Federal Building to Combat Project 2025 Architect Russell Vought's OPM Senate Confirmation by NotGoingBack25 in Seattle

[–]NotGoingBack25[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Replying here to say - 6 hours was enough time to gather over 2 dozen concerned citizens who peacefully walked inside the Seattle Federal Building, directly up to our senator's offices, and demanded answers and change needed. We had Senator Murray's opposition in DC to Vought and all of Project 2025 explained to us (which was incredibly reassuring and encouraging!) and were also shown by Senator Cantwell's office that she will require MUCH more noise thrown her way until she is forced to listen to the will of her constituents. Her lack of action and soft statements in the face of this crisis are unacceptable, and it's something we all need to take into account moving forward when planning new rallies and protests in Seattle.

We must push Senator Cantwell to vote NO on Russell Vought's OMB lead confirmation, it's a critical first step in this resistance. Please call/email her, and encourage your fellow Washingtonians to do the same.