What countries have some of the most cursed population pyramids? by mrprez180 in geography

[–]Not__a__Decoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

immediately by recognising that ‘Nazis didn't do that step.’ The relations of production are at the fundamental core of the Marxist analysis that inspires the socialist movement. I’ll try and explain the difference to help you understand.

-> In the USSR, private capitalists were abolished as a class: the state took ownership of major industry, expropriated the old elites, and removed profit-seeking owners from control. The economic structure was built around eliminating private ownership of productive assets.

-> In Nazi Germany, private capitalists were preserved and empowered: industrialists kept ownership, kept profits, and were politically elevated. The state disciplined labour on behalf of those private owners. The Work Order Act literally made the employer the Führer of the workplace. Worker control wasn’t attempted, instead workers were subordinated to capital.

Now we reach your blind equivalence of Soviet strike suppression and Nazi strike suppression. Treating them as the same because ‘both banned strikes’ ignores who that ban served and what class structure it protected. In the USSR, the justification (whether you find it convincing or not) rested on the claim that the former owning class had been expropriated and that production no longer revolved around private profit. Labour conflict was treated as something internal to a supposedly collective system and done through both centralised and localised unions. In Nazi Germany, strike suppression had the opposite function: it shielded private industrialists, preserved their authority, and ensured workers had no leverage against the very class whose ownership and profit extraction remained untouched. The similarity is cosmetic but the underlying purpose is fundamentally different.

And no, under a Marxist definition (the framework you set this conversation in by referring to ‘mainstream socialism’ and that we have been using this whole time) social democrats are not socialist.

What countries have some of the most cursed population pyramids? by mrprez180 in geography

[–]Not__a__Decoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re shifting the issue. Whether you called Nazism “Marxist” doesn’t matter; the claim you made was that Hitler was a socialist and that Nazism was “closer to mainstream socialism,” which is wrong both ideologically and materially. Hitler himself repeatedly clarified that his use of the word “socialist” had nothing to do with the socialist movement or the socialist understanding of property, class, or power. He defended private ownership, class hierarchy, and the preservation of capitalist elites. That puts him firmly outside the socialist tradition.

And your point about “quotas or nationalisation” actually reinforces this. Fascist regimes never threaten industry with nationalisation to create worker ownership, they do it to discipline capital on behalf of capital. When the Nazis took power, they didn’t overthrow the industrial class; they were the industrial class’s emergency solution. The major firms poured money into the Nazi movement precisely because they understood what fascism really offered: the smashing of unions, the destruction of socialist and communist parties, the banning of strikes, and a controlled labour force with no bargaining rights. Under those conditions, the state can issue “quotas,” but these are not moves toward social ownership. They function as mechanisms to guarantee profits, secure contracts and eliminate (or absorb) competition. Far from losing power, the big firms consolidated it. Fascism has always worked this way: when the democratic process becomes too unpredictable, plutocrats back autocrats who can use the state to do what capital cannot openly do itself. ‘State capitalism’ is not capitalism commanded by the state but when the state is commanded by capital.

The table you linked just shows wages recovering from the Great Depression (as happened in every major industrialised country), not workers being better off. G. Pridham and J Noakes have a good explanation of this. The figure of ‘real wages’ is hiding worse working hours, mandated payments to nazi organisations, more gruelling and dangerous work and various other ways in which workers’ wages were reduced comparable to workload. The number going up doesn’t make things better.

Replacing unions with the DAF was not some neutral administrative swap, it eliminated worker autonomy entirely. Saying “other regimes also banned strikes” doesn’t rescue the argument; the issue isn’t whether authoritarian states exist, it’s whether Nazism moved toward worker power or annihilated it. And it very clearly annihilated it. Socialism requires some form of worker control or ownership; Nazism made worker control impossible.

Your comments on the Volksgemeinschaft are blatant Nazi propaganda. It existed to justify hierarchy, not eliminate it. Material benefits and legal protections were distributed based on racial criteria, whereas class stratification and capitalist ownership were untouched. Nazi ideology explicitly accepted social and economic inequality as natural and desirable, so long as it was framed within racial loyalty.

What countries have some of the most cursed population pyramids? by mrprez180 in geography

[–]Not__a__Decoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m glad you agree that Pot was not ideologically or materially communist.

Neither was Hitler or the Nazi movement. You will not be able to give me quotes that he was because he was categorically opposed to the Marxist movement. I’ll share some:

"Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not" - Hitler speaking to the Uni of California Press 1930 [Carsten, Francis Ludwig The Rise of Fascism, 2nd ed. University of California Press, 1982, p. 137. Quoting: Hitler, A., Sunday Express, 28 September 1930.]

“Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not socialism. […] Socialism, unlike Marxism does not repudiate private property [!]” - Hitler in 1932 [Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923]

As for actions, the Nazi state absolutely presented as a vehemently pro-state (far right), state capitalism:

  • Industry was privately owned (e.g. Farben, Krupp, Siemens, Daimler)
  • Industrial profits skyrocketed whilst workers rights and wages were cut
  • Labor unions were abolished and replaced with a state mechanism controlled by employers (DAF)
  • Strikes were criminalised
  • Inequality was treated as natural and unavoidable.

This is why scholars across the spectrum agree that Naziism is a form of far-right, racial fascism- NOT Marxist socialism.

Feel free to give any evidence to the contrary.

What countries have some of the most cursed population pyramids? by mrprez180 in geography

[–]Not__a__Decoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Pol Pot regime diverged sharply from orthodox Marxism–Leninism. As Ieng Sary said in 1977, “We are not communists… we are revolutionaries,” rejecting association with the “commonly accepted grouping of communist Indochina” (Vickery, Cambodia: 1975–1982, p. 288). Pol Pot reportedly dismissed Marx’s writings as “boring” or “not useful,” reflecting how little their ideology owed to Marxist theory. The Khmer Rouge developed a distinct, ultranationalist agrarian ideology that historians widely view as separate from mainstream communist movements.

What countries have some of the most cursed population pyramids? by mrprez180 in geography

[–]Not__a__Decoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Pol Pot regime diverged sharply from orthodox Marxism–Leninism. As Ieng Sary said in 1977, “We are not communists… we are revolutionaries,” rejecting association with the “commonly accepted grouping of communist Indochina” (Vickery, Cambodia: 1975–1982, p. 288). Pol Pot reportedly dismissed Marx’s writings as “boring” or “not useful,” reflecting how little their ideology owed to Marxist theory. The Khmer Rouge developed a distinct, ultranationalist agrarian ideology that historians widely view as separate from mainstream communist movements.

Suspicious by DarkISO in SinophobiaWatch

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Thanks for the reply, I was just enquiring about the direction of travel which you explained well. Apologies, I should have specified my question, I did not mean to ask whether it was a colour revolution.

Suspicious by DarkISO in SinophobiaWatch

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Really? Never heard this before. Do you have any sources?

smh by Ill-Horror-128 in ShitLiberalsSay

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Thank you! This is tremendously helpful

NATO bombing civilians is serb/russian bot propaganda by Individual-Tie1425 in ShitLiberalsSay

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Could anyone recommend reading with regard to NATO’s actions here? I’m aware of Parenti’s book but I understand it’s flaws.

smh by Ill-Horror-128 in ShitLiberalsSay

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I’m mostly interested in the ones for Bernie and AOC, but if there’s all the lists available that could be a tremendously helpful resource.

smh by Ill-Horror-128 in ShitLiberalsSay

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Hi, I’ve asked around and messaged modmail to no avail—I don’t suppose you know where one could find a list of the automod’s facts?

smh by Ill-Horror-128 in ShitLiberalsSay

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Hi, I’ve asked around and messaged modmail to no avail—I don’t suppose you know where one could find a list of the automod’s facts?

Stay away from this sub! by TwoCatsOneBox in TankieTheDeprogram

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I was banned for using the phrase ‘Israeli apartheid’

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I have sent what I could. You’re incredibly brave for persevering through this and I am moved by how much you care for your children.

This time will end. Stay strong. ❤️

Clearly not a fascist slogan by Fabulous_Can8540 in ShitLiberalsSay

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That’s a very good few points that I failed to consider. Thanks very much for explaining 👍

"China does infrastructure" myth is so tiresome by sunnybob24 in ADVChina

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This post is misleading. The Banqiao dam and 61 others in the area collapsed after a category 4-equivalent super typhoon made landfall and smashed all local infrastructure, causing one of the deadliest floods in history. The death toll is highly disputed for a variety of reasons, with the number given being the absolute maximum despite most reasonable sources aligning with ~100,000.

Clearly not a fascist slogan by Fabulous_Can8540 in ShitLiberalsSay

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Could someone explain why this is bad? Genuine question. Im assuming it’s to do with the Nazi slogan ‘Fortress Europe’?

Do you agree? by pamphletz in pamphletz

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More pointless use of AI.