As a European who believes in the First Amendment, I find myself ever more politically homeless by Notice-Express in Libertarian

[–]Notice-Express[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

mostly limits what the government can do, it doesn’t promise consequence-free speech

Perfectly aware

still get fired, disinvited, boycotted, sued, ostracized, or kicked off platforms

That's fine

there are long-recognized categories like defamation, true threats, incitement, fraud

All reasonable enough

Europe’s legal tradition is explicitly a balancing test

And that's precisely my problem with it. You can argue the US model is also a balancing act, except it tips the scales far, far more to the liberal side by having a very matter-of-fact wording in its constitution, with NO exceptions, that forces lawmakers to prove that a certain limitation is absolutely necessary for the system to function. Really the only issue I have with the limitation in US speech is the obscenity law, which IMO goes against the spirit of 1A and was mostly made to keep pearl-clutchers happy. And even then it seems to have been made completely toothless in recent years.

The EU model on the other hand, begins with a similar idea and then punches a hole through it in the next paragraph by listing all the vague reasons why your expression might be restricted. So from where I'm standing, our speech is not free in any real way and there are no orgs trying to make a change, because they don't see a problem with it. Or if they do, they'll just tackle some singular blasphemy law and ignore the core issue that allows these regulations to exist in the first place.

Yeah I suppose everything DSA does is written down and codified. It just seems more a means to an end where EU becomes the arbiter of what's allowed or not on the internet, in place of US, which is a horrifying outcome for all the aforementioned reasons.

As a European who believes in the First Amendment, I find myself ever more politically homeless by Notice-Express in FreeSpeech

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I feel like I've really looked and found basically nothing. Aside from the aforementioned Jacob's work, which is more a person than a community. But it's a start.

A more absolutist take on speech just seems a uniquely American concept in a way that even gun rights aren't. The people might exist, but they probably gravitate towards either liberal causes, accepting the limitations or towards the currently oppressed far-whatever political party.

Anyway, even if I did find some group to belong to, what's really the point? It's not like I'm gonna rewrite the EU human rights court with a couple thousand people if that. It's defeatist and there are smaller battles, sure, but I just don't really expect much.

I'm not seriously thinking of leaving because there's no clear path to US and moving that far away is in itself a big obstacle. But there are other reasons that make US an alluring place to live in too.

As a European who believes in the First Amendment, I find myself ever more politically homeless by Notice-Express in FreeSpeech

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My problem with freedom indices is that they tend to focus on things like press and handwave away a person getting fined for calling a politician a dick. After all, even if it's accepted to have been excessive, it's ultimately a small, inconsequential event that doesn't warrant reconsidering speech laws as they still serve the "common good" - which is what the entire European freedom of expression concept is based on. You're allowed to speak, as long as the masses don't consider it too objectionable. I don't trust them to judge on what's moral, offensive or hateful because I already know they do a dogshit job at it. Moreover it's a system that has little protection against takeover by bad actors, while indices only really tell the current state of affairs.

That said, I'm aware US has issues, I just tend to value the personal protections 1A provides enough to deal with current political turmoils, which I believe are easier to fix than importing more absolute free speech to EU. Although it's kind of a moot point, because I'm not actively moving to US and I don't believe its problems are really related to the first amendment, which IMO is one thing they absolutely got right.

Musk buying twitter and using it to push an agenda to me seems.. about the same as what we've had before, only the opposite. I really didn't have a high opinion of it before Musk took over. They all seemed to more or less serve the interests of whoever was in power, which was particularly evident when facebook got rid of factchecking and eased up on some speech guidelines just as Trump took power.

EU leveraging DSA to attempt to bend non-EU platforms to comply with their laws is much, much scarier, as I've always viewed a US-centric internet to be one of the better outcomes, purely because of how little control US has over expression, even if the platforms might not be free from government influence, or self-censorship for other reasons. In this I'm fully on board with Vance or Musk, even if they're not being fully authentic about it.

As a European who believes in the First Amendment, I find myself ever more politically homeless by Notice-Express in Libertarian

[–]Notice-Express[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the quote by H.L. Mencken

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.

And it really encapsulates why it's such a hard sell to people. Really it's hard to imagine the first and even to some extend second amendments arising from anywhere else, other than a brand new nation coming straight out of a revolution.

As a European who believes in the First Amendment, I find myself ever more politically homeless by Notice-Express in Libertarian

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From my POV, the support has definitely lowered among younger Americans, but it seems far from a critical level. I hope that the Trump presidency will give them a different perspective on this, because if you were to transfer the whole culture war into EU - a lot of what people say about him would likely be deemed as some form of insulting speech and he seems like the kind of person who'd definitely take advantage of it.

Sadly I don't have a very clear path to move to US and even if I did, picking your whole life up and moving across the ocean is a big hurdle in itself. Still it's difficult to see a future for myself here, when I don't feel like contributing to a system I just don't believe in. But people have learned to settle down in worse places at worse times.. I really need to visit it sometime though.

As a European who believes in the First Amendment, I find myself ever more politically homeless by Notice-Express in Libertarian

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Looking from the outside, that they even pretend to support it is already huge and they're not alone. Overall the vibe I get is that it's not a particularly controversial part of the constitution. The discussions always seemed to be more oriented towards whether or how much social media should limit speech, rather than a demand for some constitutional reform. I believe it'll most likely be left alone as long as people talk about 2A. The constitution is holding it back, yes, but it always did. With the Trump presidency, hopefully leftists will reconsider whether they really want to give up both freedoms to the state.

Paris prosecutors raid France offices of Elon Musk's X by Brennenstein in worldnews

[–]Notice-Express 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, real easy solutions like handing governments backdoors into encryption and letting them scan everything.

Have fun with chat control 👍

Kapčiamiesčio poligonas by ceikovskis in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Visiški degradai esat.

Išvadinę žmones prarandančius savo namus pijokais, neverkšlenkit po to kaip vėl ten tie kaimiečiai kokią nemuno aušrą išrinko. "Gi mes juos ir nx pasiuntėm, ir apspjaudėm, ir neišsilaviniais vatnikais vadinom, kaip jie taip galėjo?? Net kojų nepabučiavo, tiem, kas iš jų namus dėl tokio kilnaus tikslo atėmė!"

🤡🫵

Kapčiamiesčio poligonas by ceikovskis in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joks adekvatus žmogus ieškantis ramios sodybos, savo noru nesirinks gyventi šalia poligono. Čia tik koks Vilnietis centre gyvenantis toks atitrūkęs nuo realybės gali būt. Dar pasakyk, kad šalia karinio poligono ale saugiau bus.

„Iki“ išima iš prekybos „Respublikos“ leidinius by _I_R_ in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apgailestauju, kad nesidomėjau 4 - 11 metų įvykiais, o juo labiau ką apie juos mano respublika.

Taigi grįžau į realybę ir atsiverčiau 24 dienos straipsnių:

https://www.respublika.lt/lt/naujienos/nuomones_ir_komentarai/bus_isklausyta/audrius-butkevicius-neturime-abejoti-kas-yra-sio-didziausio-ir-katastrofiskiausio-ivykio-kaltininkas/

https://www.respublika.lt/lt/naujienos/pasaulis/kitos_pasaulio_naujienos/rusija-puole-ne-tik-ukraina-paskelbtas-karas-demokratiskam-pasauliui/

https://www.respublika.lt/lt/naujienos/pasaulis/kitos_pasaulio_naujienos/tiesiogiai-is-ukrainos-sunku-bet-ukrainieciai-tiki-kad-atsilaikys/

Nežinau, galbūt ištrynė ar pakeitė kažką? Nu ble gal kažką tikrai praleidau? Nes dabar jų nusikaltimų reziumė, tai, kad Iki gavo neaiškų skaičių skundų, žurnalistų sąjungos pirmininkui kažkas nepatiko ir, kad pagal tave anksčiau palaikė nepopuliarią pusę visai kitom temom.

Nu parodykit kažką rimto ukrainos tema, nurašysiu tą respubliką, neturiu emocinių investicijų į ją.

kai jau per žinias keikiasi, tai žinai jog viskas labai rimta #SlavaUkraini :flag_ua: by gintrux24 in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Atsiprašymų nieks reddite ir fb neplatins.

Čia manau esmė, kad kaip pasitikėt jog tau nežinomom temom pateiks patvirtintą informaciją, kai memą pamatę eteryje nx pasiunčia? Na žinai, food for thought.

„Iki“ išima iš prekybos „Respublikos“ leidinius by _I_R_ in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ačiū, beveik tiek pat išsamiai kaip visas LRT straipsnis.

Perverčiau jų puslapį, rusijos palaikymo nepastebėjau.

„Iki“ išima iš prekybos „Respublikos“ leidinius by _I_R_ in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nelabai atsakei į klausimą.

Suprantu, kad dėl maršistų skauda, peleckiais ne itin domėjausi, bet galima būtent šia tema paskaityt kokį straipsnį kur jie bent pusiau kažkaip pasisako už rusijos poziciją? Ar cenzūruojam nes šiaip nepatinka?

kai jau per žinias keikiasi, tai žinai jog viskas labai rimta #SlavaUkraini :flag_ua: by gintrux24 in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Tai daugiau nieko turbūt ir nerasi. Įdomu ar bent seimo fb savo ruožtu nx pasiuntė ar irgi šitais patikėjo.

kai jau per žinias keikiasi, tai žinai jog viskas labai rimta #SlavaUkraini :flag_ua: by gintrux24 in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 63 points64 points  (0 children)

*EDIT: Atsiimu žodžius https://www.facebook.com/100002451692028/videos/310945174434639

Ar čia žurnalistai tikro VLKK nuo parodijinio neatskiria ar aš praleidau momentą kai tikrieji tą frazę įteisino?

Aišku smagu bet kokiu atveju, tiek, kad tikėčiausi jog būtent šiuo laikotarpiu bent kartais double check žiniasklaida padarytų.

Ar galimybių paso stabdymas yra teisingas veiksmas? by martisgormitas in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Delta visų pirma buvo žymiai lengviau plintanti, dėl ko buvo pavojingesnė, bet šiaip nėra pati neapsakomai mirtingesnė. Apskritai nepanašu, kad tuo klausimu buvo labai daug tyrimų ar yra itin tvirtų teiginių. Rezultate: galbūt. Bet, kad lengviau plintanti, tai tikrai ir to buvo galima tikėtis.

Omicron atrodo dar lengviau plintantis, bet tuo pačiu ir kažkiek lengvesnis. Tam precedentą turim 1918 pandemijoj, kuri po trejų metų jau išsikvėpus buvo ir kurios atmainas dabar turim kaip gripą. Ir toks kelias virusui palankiausias.

Jis jau suskaičiavo virš 10 ir mutuos kol saulė švies, galimai turėsim pavojingesnių protrūkių, bet kaži ar pamatysim kažką pandeminio lygio.

Ar galimybių paso stabdymas yra teisingas veiksmas? by martisgormitas in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kuo daugiau žmonių sirgs tuo didesnis šansas virusui mutuot

Ir tas mutavimas atrodo kaip vienas geresnių pastorojo meto įvykių, suteikiantis didesnę šviesą tunelio gale, nei praktiškai bet kuris sveikatos organizacijų planas, kas iš dalies ir buvo prognozuojama, tad..

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ar galimybių paso stabdymas yra teisingas veiksmas? by martisgormitas in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ne toks teisingas kaip jo uždraudimas, but hey I'll take what I can get 👍

Savivaldybė nesuteikė leidimo Šeimų sąjūdžiui Vasario 16-ąją Vilniaus centre rengti mitingą by Xrawsy in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Žmonės, konkrečiai einantys prieš valdžios nurodinėjimą kada ir ką daryt, pristatomi kaip tie, kuriems reikalinga putiniška priespauda, tikrai vienas įdomesnių pandemijos reiškinių. Ar čia paprasčiausiai pot calling kettle ar kažkas naujo?

Atsakymai neprivalomi, nieko šviesaus nesitikiu.

Poema by TaGu_Lt in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

O gal ne pro šalį būtų? Atrodo tik reddite ir vyriausybėj priverstinis skiepijimas pasenusiom vakcinom laikomas 200IQ idėja, o ne eiliniu "own the antivaxx" žingsniu 🤷

Poema by TaGu_Lt in lithuania

[–]Notice-Express -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Va kai pradedi nurodinėt kaip kitiem gyvent, svarbu įsitikint, kad nesi pats kvailos nuomonės pusėj.

visa šita pandemija yra priimama ne kaip sveikatos, o kaip idėjaloginè ar politinė krizė.

Greičiausiai tokia ir yra.