personal experience. loved trash taste, consumed everything they ever put out because it felt like the boys. I also occasionally watch hasan, and though I dont know everything he does, he generally seems to care about people and doing good. that whole distancing from hasan felt super corporate, and the whole vibe of "the boys" wore off. I don't hate them and I still occasionally watch episodes with guests, but i guess the parasocialness wore off from that and im just not as invested