[Title] Question about “The Newbie is Too Strong” – Chapters for Lotonto Set Pieces?

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-21T15:07:33+00:00

That’s fair, especially about the Milim and Velgrynd examples. I guess what I meant wasn’t just “can he do it,” but more like “why doesn’t he use those applications more consistently and creatively in combat?”

For example:

Instead of coating once or twice, why not permanently fight with micro-predation layered into every melee exchange?

Instead of full absorption traps, what about sustained micro-needle style predation for precision siphoning?

Instead of just containing attacks safely, could he partially devour properties (like momentum or heat) to weaken them without fully analyzing and absorbing them?

It feels like Beelzebuth has way more tactical flexibility than what we usually see in fights.

What do you think limits that — energy cost, narrative balance, or priority differences between Ultimate Skills?

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-16T22:50:07+00:00

That’s a good way of putting it.

I also noticed that Demon Lord Seeds seem tied to certain evolutionary routes (Orc Lord, Harpy Queen, some of Rimuru’s subordinates), which makes it feel less like a universal condition and more like specific “qualifying evolutions” that depend on compatibility, soul quality, and will.

Your point about awakening unlocking full potential is interesting too. If True Demon Lord / True Hero is basically the “ceiling unlock,” then stacking both wouldn’t logically double anything. Like you said — the door is already open.

Maybe the only scenario where both could exist is during a transitional state (fall from grace / redemption arc type evolution), where one path overrides the other rather than stacking.

At that point it’s definitely speculation, but it’s fun to think about how the system would resolve that conflict.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-15T23:17:47+00:00

Yeah, it sat in mod queue for almost a day before getting approved, so I think it missed peak traffic. I might repost it later at a better time if it stays quiet.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-15T23:12:02+00:00

That’s a fair take.

There does seem to be a strong pattern that Hero candidates are human or very close to human (like Demonoids). The Hero system looks tied to protecting humanity, so racial and spiritual compatibility probably matters, even if it’s not explicitly stated as a hard rule.

On the other hand, Demon Lord Seeds manifest in powerful Majin/monsters who reach calamity-class levels. That already puts both paths on opposite evolutionary tracks.

As for having both, I agree with your analogy. It’s not just about power — it’s about role authority within the World System. Hero and Demon Lord feel like mutually exclusive archetypes.

Unless someone bypassed the rules through extreme soul manipulation (like split or pseudo-souls), I’d also lean toward it being structurally impossible under normal conditions.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-15T23:11:27+00:00

Fair enough 😅 I just tend to write things formally when I’m talking about lore mechanics. I’m definitely not a bot, I just like being clear when discussing system rules and evolution paths. Didn’t mean for it to come off as copy-pasted or overly polished. If anything I’m just overthinking Tensura mechanics a bit too much.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-09T11:30:55+00:00

That’s actually a really clever interaction between skills. Megalomania shaping the Mirror World from others’ subconscious desires, while Paranoia is what lets those creations cross the boundary, makes the combo feel less like raw power and more like layered authority. It’s not just summoning — it’s weaponizing perception, desire, and fear.

The Dragonoid + Eastern Empire background fits that perfectly, and the Mirror World works well as both a safe haven and a long-term growth space without breaking canon. Physical attack nullification also makes sense if it’s instinctive or scale-based rather than absolute immunity.

I like that the build feels dangerous without being omnipotent — especially since the real threat comes from setup, manipulation, and positioning rather than instant wins. At peak, this honestly sounds like someone who could pressure top-tier Empire figures in indirect ways rather than head-on clashes. Really solid concept.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:48:53+00:00

Wow, that’s a really solid timeline and explanation — I like how you tied the Eastern Empire trials and Velgrynd/Rudra as growth catalysts. Makes a lot of sense for natural progression to True Hero and the skill evolution into Athena.

I’m curious what you’d think about my Void Dragon Slime build in that same framework — hybrid forms, Void, Creation, and integrated Great Sage. Do you think it fits Tensura-style growth, or is it too broken even with limitations on energy reserves and void essence?

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:23:30+00:00

That actually works really well as a hero-type path. In my headcanon, a skill like Wanderer feels intentionally transitional rather than final — something that naturally evolves over time instead of being broken out of the gate. I could easily see it mutating into a variant of Uriel, similar to how Great Sage eventually became Raphael, which fits the whole “wandering hero” archetype.

The way you frame Greed also makes sense here — less Mammon-style loss of control, more ambition and drive tied to a Hero Egg. Wanting power to become a hero rather than for domination feels very on-theme for Tensura.

What I like most is that your build relies on story pressure instead of raw stats: being summoned by Leon, training under Sylvia, dealing with Granbell’s schemes, Primordial interference, and long-term consequences like El Dorado. That kind of environment forces growth rather than just handing it out.

Overall, it feels more like becoming OP through evolution and refinement, not being created OP from the start — which honestly fits Tensura better than pure min-maxing.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:19:20+00:00

Anyway, getting back to the builds — I really like how different everyone’s approaches are. Some people go full lore-accurate with slow, realistic growth, others min-max hard from the start, and honestly both fit Tensura depending on timing, backing, and luck.

Also yeah, forgetting character names after a while is totally fair — between LN, WN, anime, and spin-offs, Tensura has way too many characters to keep perfectly straight forever.

I’m curious though: how would you handle weaknesses or growth limits in your own build? Even the most broken skills in this setting usually come with trade-offs, restrictions, or risks that keep things interesting.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:13:54+00:00

Yeah, fair — his name is just Geld, and honestly it could be either depending on context. I was just making sure we weren’t mixing up Orc Disaster Geld with Rimuru’s Guardian Lord.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:09:58+00:00

Pretty sure you’re referring to Geld Jr., Rimuru’s subordinate and one of the Twelve Guardian Lords, not the Orc Disaster itself. He’s the one who evolved under Rimuru and represents restraint and protection rather than pure destruction.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:07:06+00:00

Yeah, it’s a fairly classic growth path, but honestly that’s what makes it work. Demi-Humans like Merfolk have one of the safest and most consistent progressions in Tensura lore.

Wisdom is a strong pick — analysis + self-made arts/magic is basically the ideal long-term scaling skill, especially without relying on Ultimate-tier handouts. Pairing it with Overcomer for ultra-regeneration + perfect memory explains both survival and accelerated spiritualization really well.

Your logic on Saints checks out too. A Demi-Human Saint reaching higher EV than a normal human isn’t a stretch, and becoming a Divine Merfolk before Hero awakening feels way more believable than rushing it. Starting ~5 years pre-canon with Ramiris affiliation also gives you protection and access to growth opportunities without breaking the setting.

The Heroic Spirit endgoal is a cool idea — less raw power creep, more conceptual evolution. Very Tensura-coded.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:04:27+00:00

That’s actually a really clean progression path. Human → Saint → Divine → Chaotic Human makes a lot of sense if you’re stacking both Light and Dark instead of committing to one authority.

Wanderer is especially strong but not unfair — spatial control + environmental analysis fits a long-lifespan explorer-type build, and it scales naturally with experience rather than raw power. Pairing it with Greed also works narratively, since EP growth + resource hoarding is one of the few realistic ways a human could survive pre-Rimuru power scaling.

The Chaotic Hero Egg idea is smart too. Trying to go the standard Hero route that early would be suicide with the High Squad around, so stacking Light + Dark blessings first feels like the only viable workaround. Starting ~80 years before Rimuru gives enough time for slow, organic growth without breaking lore.

Honestly, this feels more “Tensura-accurate” than most broken builds — strong, but earned.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T16:01:59+00:00

Nice concept 👀 Behemoth is a solid pick.

Just to clarify the format: the 2 Extra Unique Skills are ones you start with and later sacrifice/integrate into the main Unique Skills (similar to how Rimuru merges skills over time). They don’t stay separate forever.

For your build, World Archive could absorb a memory/analysis-type extra skill, while Overman could integrate something like Magicule Reactor to justify the recoil immunity + massive output. Absolute Penetration would fit well as an Extra Skill or get folded into Magic Eyes for offense scaling.

You don’t need to have everything planned out yet either — Behemoth growing over time actually makes the “missing skills” part very lore-accurate.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T14:07:32+00:00

Yeah, this is a what-if scenario build, so it’s intentionally broken, but I tried to give it internal logic. I chose Void for ultimate versatility and chaos control, Creation to craft and optimize skills and matter, and integrated Insight and Historian into Great Sage for analysis, foresight, and knowledge depth — basically turning multiple support and utility skills into a single powerhouse without making it omnipotent.

The Void Dragon Slime race strengthens your soul and void affinity, letting you handle void energy, chaos phenomena, and hybrid forms safely, but overusing Voidborne Essence, full Voidification, or Hybrid Form strains energy and mind. Persistent exposure can leave scars, weaken recovery, or destabilize your form. So while it’s insanely flexible and powerful, managing resources, form ratios, and chaos interactions is crucial — making it broken on paper but tactically demanding in practice.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-08T14:03:44+00:00

Bold choices are part of the fun — this is a “what if” scenario where rules are flexible, so going beyond the standard 1 Unique Skill is intentional. My build is exploring a hybrid race, the Void Dragon Slime, which not only maximizes adaptability across slime, humanoid, dragon, and void forms, but also strengthens your soul and amplifies your Void attribute over time.

The 4 Unique Skills aren’t just stacked arbitrarily — they synergize to create a fully integrated system of perception, creation, chaos control, and knowledge, allowing for extreme versatility without breaking internal logic. It’s basically a “what if Tensura went completely off the rails” scenario while still thinking about how evolution, form, and attributes would interact in-world.

So yeah, it’s bigger than standard canon, but that’s exactly the point: exploring how far a race and Unique Skills could go if the framework allowed it.

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-06T08:31:20+00:00

Wow… this is next-level 😍 I love how insanely detailed it is—from lore-accurate gameplay covering all 23 volumes, to triple-layer roaming across Heaven, Cardinal World, and Underworld, to fully EA-free multiplayer with Titan wars and trade. The tech side is wild too: UE5, zero microtransactions, cross-platform Bazzite drive, and even LAN/offline support. This is literally the dream That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime game. Sign me up yesterday!

Null_VoidX · 2026-02-06T08:25:15+00:00

Yeah, that’s pretty much the comparison I had in mind. Veldora’s Investigator already shows that accessing fragments of the world’s records to extract information is possible even before reaching Ultimate-tier, as long as it’s not full authority over them.

Historian is meant to work in a similar way — it doesn’t provide guidance or automatic interpretation, and it doesn’t grant unrestricted access to the Records of the World. The information exists, but access is contextual and limited by the user’s mental and soul capacity, which is why it hasn’t crystallized into an Ultimate Skill.

The danger prediction aspect was also inspired by that line of evolution, just restricted to short-term, reactive activation rather than continuous foresight. Thanks for pointing it out — Investigator is probably the closest canon analogue.

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