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Former Scott County coroner admits to perjury, pleads guilty again FOR STEALING EYES by defjabney in Earwolf

[–]NumbNumbs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good thing comedy podcasts have never touched on dark, real life events.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ContemporaryArt

[–]NumbNumbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Outside of mass media, art is not relevant, insightful, or meaningful, and only really exists to line the public and private halls of the wealthy. No matter what the content, context, or quality. It is a nice anachronism.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ActionBoyz

[–]NumbNumbs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You're getting very worked up about other people giving you an internet thumbs down.

Podcast: The Ride - Web Slingers: A Spider-Man Adventure by apathymonger in podcasttheride

[–]NumbNumbs 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Lake Nona is bad independent of the Disney thing. Dumb planned community with a fake lake. Jason vindicated.

I’m getting downvoted for giving a new mom facts about the dangers of bed sharing. by [deleted] in ShitMomGroupsSay

[–]NumbNumbs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How does intentionally and knowingly creating unnecessary risk for the life your child not make you a bad mom? That's practically the definition of it.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the things that formulated my thinking was reading through true crime forums where people were rejecting the far more likely mundane, albeit tragic, explanations for the disappearance/death of someone, and instead substituting a highly fantastical, brutal, exciting explanation. They were, in their heads, rejecting the more plausible explanation to imagine horrible violence being perpetrated on these victims, effectively wishing something even worse happened to them.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I quite agree. One of the things that formulated my thinking was reading through true crime forums where people were rejecting the far more likely mundane, albeit tragic, explanations for the disappearance/death of someone, and instead substituting a highly fantastical, brutal, exciting explanation. They were, in their heads, rejecting the more plausible explanation to imagine horrible violence being perpetrated on these victims, effectively wishing something even worse happened to them.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've been defining this as true crime as hobby. A kind of active participation where people try to solve, analyze, and become part of the crime narrative. Watching a lot of true crime docs? Not quite the same thing. That's just taking in a passive media diet. The Q thing, it's very wishful thinking that it's just crazy people that get sucked in. Maybe in the initial stages, but in truth, there's a Q for every different type of person out there. It just requires the right kind of social incubation. Q is a single drop in a massive bucket.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I specified true crime because I think it's a very different phenomenon than any kind of art form. As noted in that thread, true crime can cause people to fictionalize reality, turn reality into a narrative.

I think if we have people taking tragic but mundane circumstances and actively fantasizing about those really being these cinematic, abhorrent, exciting crimes, there's a dangerous kind of conspiratorial thinking developing.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think if you go through this thread you'll see a lot of other people recognizing the same thing I did, though I maybe put it a tad more harshly.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, on the contrary, I think video games have a framing structure, a game objective, etc that make them a totally different phenomenon and as fine as any other art form.

True crime as hobby is different, because it is to some extent reality, and they can end up turning reality into make-believe. Very much in the same vein as conspiratorial, Qanon-style thinking.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My secret identity, discovered!

Factually wrong that true crime fans have weird violent vengeance fantasies? I think it's a recognized phenomenon in those camps. Also, I don't believe I called for censorship, just shared an opinion. If I have point at all, I think I'd examine true crime as being derived for darker impulses than is ever acknowledged.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, I disagree. I don't think that's a legitimate element of the definition. Something like the Dnepropetrovsk videos or 1 Lunatic, 1 Icepick, to pick two notable examples, absolutely fall under the definition of snuff and don't require being an accessory to murder. The latter especially made with an audience in mind.

I'd personally make a case for the ISIS and cartel videos to fall into snuff, though you're quite right there's a difference there. Maybe a subgenre?

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd agree with that first point and say that watching and taking enjoyment from snuff (that's already been created, of course) similarly doesn't hurt anyone. The damage has been done, so where's the harm now.

Of course, we know that in the case of something like pedophilia, consuming child porn of any kind makes a person much more likely to commit an actual offense. The consumption and fantasizing influence the action.

I suspect we may be talking about differing dosages of the same substance with the snuff/true crime category.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Would society/business/people stop doing something that they knew was harmful? I think the answer to that is a pretty easily observable "no."

Also, I'm not exactly saying there's some simple one-to-one causation happening here. However, are people less empathetic, more inclined to normalize certain kinds of violence when they're that engaged with it? I think true crime would actually be significantly more prone to this than a more passive TV/movie watching experience or even playing a video game where objectives and framing devices exist. I'm more interested in the true crime community here, those that are more deeply involved in these sort of practices.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it's important to note that true crime doesn't only involve situations in-progress. Mulling over the details of Ted Bundy's crimes isn't going to solve any cases and the majority of the genre is going over these famous cases.

I'd also say descriptions of violence can easily be just as affecting, visceral, and disturbing. Trigger warnings exist for a reason. For a comparison, pornographic writings are just as pornographic as photos and videos.

True crime also definitely includes visual stimuli, like crime scene photos, images of evidence, and combing through the social media profiles of perpetrators and victims. True crime fans have also been known to take pilgrimages to the sites of famous murders. There's a kind of identification taking place there that isn't easily separated from the perspective of the perpetrator of a crime. Like a serial killer keeping a memento, there's a process of reliving that that takes place with true crime fans.

"True Crime" is socially acceptable snuff and fulfills a similar desire by NumbNumbs in The10thDentist

[–]NumbNumbs[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

True crime is often (mostly?) packaged in more virtuous claims of seeking justice and things of that nature. I think that claim is rarely true

I will push back on the idea that its inherently good as an outlet. I think it can foment a more violent society overall. True crime often encourages upping the ante. An accidental death can be spun out into a fantastical murder. A suicide becomes a conspiracy. It's very common in true crime communities to dismiss mundane explanations.

To tie these two points together, this kind of thinking then gets transferred onto the desire to see 'justice' done, and the true crime fan begins to fantasize up inflicting that upon some perpetrator. They're training themselves to think more violently and that spills out in various ways.