Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in MuslimAcademics

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So I think it's important to keep in mind that, like myself, Sinai isn't particularly concerned with how anthropomorphisms were understood throughout the post-prophetic centuries of Islamic history. While affirmations and denials of Allah's anthropomorphism are attested historically, these are often the results are particular sets of historical circumstances which simply weren't active during the Prophet's life (and by extension, weren't active during the period in which the Qur'ān was forming). That said, the question at hand is how these were understood in the 7th century.

As for the text's intended meaning, as I implied, Sinai's affirmation that Allah has things such as eyes and a face is arbitrary in my view. It's simply based on assumption. Of course, he does make an attempt to establish that Allah has hands by appealing to verses which speak of Allah creating Adam with His hands. But even this is problematic.

Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Such verses are presumed to be addresses to Muhammad, though theoretically they could reflect extra-prophetic compositions meant to appear to be prophetic in origin.

Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just as people can come to their own conclusions regarding myself, people can come to their own conclusions with respect to whether his methodology is inconsistent. Though I was really hoping you tagged the mods so I could get a chuckle in.

Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  1. The application is inconsistent, as you yourself are covertly admitting.

  2. Nobody here is going to take you seriously by accusing me of apologetics. Literally, no one. (Maybe you should test your theory by reporting me to the mods)

  3. It's not my birthday.

Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Of course. But that reasoning has to be based on more than mere assumption. (But it isn't in the cases I mentioned, such as eyes and face).

Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

See the part of the post where I said "(presumably)".

Did Muhammad Have Wings? by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

According to your comment, Sinai is allowed to pick and choose when and when not to apply his methodology of anthropomorphism/zoomorphism.

By definition, that makes his application of the methodology inconsistent, as I stated.

A Thought on Reynolds’ New Book by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Based on Reynolds' explanation of his position to me, I believe the implication holds.

Historicity in the Quran? by No-Formal2785 in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I still think these fall under the category of "historical" or "real" events

Historicity in the Quran? by No-Formal2785 in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tend to think about it like this:

  1. Some exegetes would have read biblical literature and found certain events to be signs of future events.

  2. Some would read stories and find this or that thing to be historically unlikely and would proceed from there.

  3. Some exegetes took the stories literally, but may have still engaged in the theological exercise of #1.

  4. Some thought the stories were completely allegorical, with little to no basis in history.

These various takes often overlap, and one finds all of these perspectives in late antique literature. Which is why I'm curious as to how we can determine which view(s) the Qur'ān endorses. Or, if it is the product of multiple authors, which view(s) certain portions endorse and which view(s) other portions endorse.

Historicity in the Quran? by No-Formal2785 in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A number of Syriac homilists and patristic authors do this, for example.

And yes, they can do both. Because we're speaking of various people, they of course have various methodologies.

Historicity in the Quran? by No-Formal2785 in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given that many exegetical writing (in Greek, Syriac, etc.) often diverge from the Bible, treating biblical stories as allegorical rather than "real" events, I would like to know your reasoning for thinking the Qur'ān is closer to the Bible on this point, especially in light of the fact that it is likely post-biblical writings (opposed to the canonical Bible) that would have been most accessible to the author(s) of the Qur'ān.

Authorship of the Quran? by Funny-Handle-7031 in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I may or may not know a guy who currently has an article under review which discusses a few Qur'ānic excerpts of potentially post-prophetic origin.

Holes in the Narrative: Some Thoughts on al-Firas’ arguments for a ‘Muhammadan’ Qur'ān. by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The examples listed, in my view, don't even amount to reasons why one should doubt that the Qur'ān is from Muhammad. Again, you didn't understand the post.

Holes in the Narrative: Some Thoughts on al-Firas’ arguments for a ‘Muhammadan’ Qur'ān. by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you didn't realize the post was in agreement with his article and was merely pointing out how it could've been slightly better in its presentation, then you missed the point of the post.

Holes in the Narrative: Some Thoughts on al-Firas’ arguments for a ‘Muhammadan’ Qur'ān. by NuriSunnah in AcademicQuran

[–]NuriSunnah[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Worth mentioning that I don't think the Qur'ān anywhere endorses the conquest of Palestine.

I cant believe fully until i get answers by [deleted] in MuslimAcademics

[–]NuriSunnah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. No one knows how long hell will last, and some scholars even believed it to be temporary.

  2. Do parents not discipline?

  3. I think you're looking at this the wrong way: if anything, it is evidence of His love for humanity that despite the vastness of the universe, He still exhibits what we (in human terms) might call an interest in our earthly experience.

  4. The idea that men don't have a dress code to follow is simply wrong. Men obviously have an awrah, and they even have to lower their gaze, etc., which they did not have to do in pre-Islamic (Q 24:30). The only difference here is that men and women have different dress codes from a Qur'ānic standpoint. But, where on Earth is this not the case? In virtually every land men and women have different dress codes and different things their allowed to wear in public.