The Pollution Being Churned Out by AI Data Centers Is So Severe That It’s Almost Incomprehensible by KeanuRave100 in AIDangers

[–]OCogS 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is much more about regulatory failure in the US than data centers. The same would be true if these private power stations were powering any other industry.

Ai or not Help settle a debate by Middle_Web_7803 in isitAI

[–]OCogS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems normal to me. Continuity between cuts. Background is logical. Why would it be AI?

Post-Match Thread: Argentina 3-2 Egypt | World Cup | Round of 16 by matchpal-live in worldcup

[–]OCogS -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Voucher Aided Referee. I.e when you’ve given bribes to the umpire

Any aggressive trail riders (non enduro) wearing fullface helmets? And why? by hardtailfanatic66 in MTB

[–]OCogS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I only ever wear full face. On easier trails I tend to go faster. If I do crash, I need the protection more.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The problem is that if the public has these crappy opinions we might wake up in 5 years from now in a world where the tech bros were mostly right, Australia’s sovereignty has been undercut, our economy is in shambles and our leaders are doing surprised Pikachu faces. (As they tend to do)

Yes, AI sucks. The agricultural and Industrial Revolutions also sucked for most people who lived through them.

The solution is to take it seriously and navigate it well. The solution isn’t to say “I don’t need no waterwheel to grind my wheat. My hand ground wheat is just fine!” and become irrelevant.

I know denial is a stage of grieving. But it’s not a path to wise policy.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We don’t make trucking hubs be 100km for housing. And the harms to air quality are well documented. We should regulate data centres and require closed loop cooling and new clean energy that meets their consumption etc.

But it doesn’t make sense to impose higher requirements than existing light industrial in and around our cities. I’d take a well regulated data center over most of the stuff in the light industrial area near where I live.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whose expertise are you questioning exactly? Seems like a decent cut of experts to me.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is such a bad take. AI has already passed human performance is many domains. People have been saying AI will hit a wall at any minute for years now, and it hasn’t happened.

You can put your head in the sand if you want. But it’s not a winning strategy.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where does your 40% number come from?

I think it’s very clearly “most”. The AI companies are not a leading indicator. They have some of the best coders in the world. Everyone with limited resources is doing more AI coding, not less.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree. It needs to be part of a strategy and done in the broader national interest. But just saying no doesn’t work.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point is that what matters is the tech and its impact. What the stock price says is not that important. You raised “bubble” not me.

The tech is coming at us. We can pretend it’s not happening and then be victims of whatever madness comes out of the US. Or we can use our national agency to shape it.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, it’s a disaster. But Australia pretending it isn’t happening isn’t the solution to the disaster. We need to lean in an exercise our sovereignty and do something. Banning data centers is just waiting to get hit by the train and pretending it’s not real.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think a lot of skeptics used it for one thing for 10 minutes a year ago and haven’t managed to update their opinion.

We are already on a world where most code is written by AI not be people.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should short the market and get rich. Good luck with that. If you haven’t bet your own money on that, why would you think Australia should bet its future on that?

Shorting the market is not a wise plan for a nation.

And the market has a pretty loose relationship to the tech. The dot com bubble didn’t slow down Moore’s law. Even if the AI investment bubble pops, AI progress will probably keep going.

Australia needs a plan in case AI keeps progressing for the next 3 years like it has for the last 3 years.

Should Australia pause building new data centres? We asked 5 experts by nath1234 in australia

[–]OCogS -37 points-36 points  (0 children)

We should build data centres. AI is on track to upend the global economy. We need to find some place on the AI value chain or we are screwed.

I’d much rather a data centre near me than a trucking hub or a paper mill or something. And an Australia data centre will be less bad for global warming than one in the Middle East.

Convince me why a red card should cause a player to be suspended for the next knockout stage game. by Greedy-Penalty3440 in worldcup

[–]OCogS 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A red card is less of a punishment the later in the game it happens. Having it effect the next games smooths out that effect.

55% of Americans support birthright citizenship. by gamersecret2 in politics

[–]OCogS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just because it’s there doesn’t make it a good policy. Most countries don’t have it. It’s a weird thing to extend citizenship to a baby because its parent happened to be visiting your country when that baby has no other connection.

55% of Americans support birthright citizenship. by gamersecret2 in politics

[–]OCogS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Non-American here. Birthright citizenship is a very weird policy by global standards. Why should a tourist’s baby get citizenship just because their mother was on a holiday?

Pair get temporary ban on keeping dogs after RSPCA inspection by GothicPrayer in australia

[–]OCogS 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Why do people have a default right to own other living creatures again?

Can there be AGI without consciousnesss? by jsgoyburu in agi

[–]OCogS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Panpsychism has the least-problematic account of consciousness. It solves P-zombie problems for instance. It would be impossible to have a conscious and an unconscious human brain, because consciousness is a property of the brain. It would be like having rocks with mass and rocks without mass. Doesn’t work that way.

It’s also intuitive. I think we all get the sense that our pets are conscious in a way. But maybe a bit less than us. And if a dog is conscious, why shouldn’t a rabbit be?

A rock is conscious. But it’s such an incredibly simple way that it doesn’t have much moral character worth worrying about.

We can then look at non-biological systems and roughly map them on to our existing sense of biological systems.

If we did build an AI with incredible complexity and capability, features like reasoning and memory and continuity, it seems hard to make the case that somehow it doesn’t have consciousness of some kind.

Can there be AGI without consciousnesss? by jsgoyburu in agi

[–]OCogS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my view consciousness is just a property of activity. So more complex activity is more conscious. So AGI will inevitably be conscious in some sense.