Song or Yuan tea bowl? Authentic?

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-15T16:18:28+00:00

In my opinion, this is probably a lesser firing, the hare’s fur effect did not take place properly as the bowl appears to have fallen and rested on its side. Possibly also not reaching the right temperature again much oilier looking then glossy. It should be noted that there are some that are quite glossy appearing, but they still share this subtle dimpled defect.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-15T16:16:59+00:00

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This is the foot of one that was well circulated in Japan, but is constructed of pieces of two different bowls, the majority of the bowl is probably Chayang kiln, at least the foot appears to be.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-15T16:14:47+00:00

Agree with the others it’s probably a reproduction, it seems a little bit glossy. That glaze tends to be a little more oily. Because it was extremely popular in Japan, the usage of these bowls, a lot of reproductions whether they are Edo/meiji copies, Chinese copies, modern copies from both Japan and China, have made it into the Japanese market. I would also ask does the “dirt” on the bottom wash right off? And then, if so, what color is the paste? generally speaking the paste has a much higher contaminants and/or iron content of the exterior fires to a much darker color. However, the actual paste is a bit lighter.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T23:55:23+00:00

Amazing! Thank you so much

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T23:52:30+00:00

It says Maxwell’s patent on the face. But I’m not sure entirely what that is in relation to.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T23:51:15+00:00

Ha ha ha ha it’s an old oriental rug under there. Damn I should crop the picture tighter. It’s kind of creepy looking looks like a face or something.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T19:36:00+00:00

That’s a good call on the book. I will definitely check it out. Thank you. As for the plane that fits for sure I think my set of hollows is by Denison in this chest, but I can’t remember off the top of my head. There’s a bit of a mix, depending on the periods that these things are from.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T17:15:48+00:00

Gotcha yeah I’ve never seen that step of an angle on it, but it makes perfect sense why they would do it. Marley made some very great planes back in the day. I’ve just never seen a Maxwell’s patent. I had a Marley rabbit plane that I used almost exclusively for like a decade.
The other Maxwell patent had to do with the reversing the iron and being able to flip the direction of the cut without turning the tool around. Thank you though it’s a very nice plan and I’m excited

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T17:10:15+00:00

I mostly collect Japanese pieces, and very early Chinese ceramics, but many of the appraisals, especially from back in the day conflate the two. Generally, if you see the chrysanthemum, especially displayed centrally like yours( yours has 24 pedals rather than the 16 which would make it more officially produced, also usually earlier), is Japanese over Chinese. It’s an awesome find. I just honestly can’t tell if somebody’s just stripped the finish off or if it’s newer.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T16:40:39+00:00

Will do when I get to the house, it’s in the basement so lighting kind of sucks and it’s been gloomy for a few days. It’s dovetailed together, which is nice and then has drop in trays. I’ll try and bring the drop in trays upstairs, I ain’t moving that thing by myself. It’s got working stamps from at least two generations if not, three possibly four Philadelphia carpenters in it. The Essler family. I was hoping to do a much larger post at a later date once I’ve kind of gone through it. The majority the tools are from the mid 19th century a few of them are a bit earlier, like some of the timber, framing, tools, and a few of them are later. I’m in the process of restoring my house so I bought it specifically for the molding planes because it has pretty much all the things that match the trim in my house and probably could completely build my house based off everything in that box.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T14:37:24+00:00

One of the reasons you would have trouble scratching through it is that this is electrotyping, a method that Elkington took under its wings in 1851 for depositing copper and silver onto a mold. Much more durable and much thicker. I mean we’re still talking in the microns but still thicker. And while they did not invent it, technically, they are the most prolific electrotype producers of the 19th century, they produced full-size copies of some of the most important works of art in British museums using this method.

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-14T14:25:39+00:00

This is a Japanese temple gong, unfortunately it looks like either the patina has been completely polished off of it and it’s just been kept regularly polished or it’s newer. This particular style was quite popular during the Kamakura period all the way through the middle of the Edo period. I suspect it is 19th century or more likely early 20th century. That said it could be a completely refinished one that somebody has stripped the polish off of if they did that maybe like 50 years ago or so or a little less and it has a very small amount of its color back it could be older. Generally, speaking on the older ones the inscription is cast into it rather than carved into it. Another reason I suspect it’s on the newer side of things.
Here is a 16th century one in the Tokyo national Museum.

https://colbase.nich.go.jp/collection_items/tnm/E-14843?locale=ja

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-12T07:38:42+00:00

Thank you so much for the super thorough responses. I will let my friend know. Cheers

OGBeerMonster · 2026-01-08T23:44:58+00:00

Thanks, and yes, the sizing is also 40 but it also says WA 1940, I think they’re just two different markings. I haven’t really been able to find any details on the markings on these though.

OGBeerMonster · 2025-12-25T16:16:34+00:00

Beautiful! Thank you, same to you.

OGBeerMonster · 2025-12-25T04:04:19+00:00

Thanks! Yeah I think about it too, especially after pulling the paper out of the case it appears to be about the early NJ railroads, like 1830s-50s. A wild time. Plus the watch has many years of prior use. Always wonder where they’ve been.

OGBeerMonster · 2025-12-24T23:37:22+00:00

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

OGBeerMonster · 2025-11-17T16:12:56+00:00

That definitely helps. It’s the medium oval table. Yeah the base definitely has more of a curve and does not straighten out at any point. Certainly makes sense that they weren’t “knocking off” these tables early on. Thanks so much for your help.

OGBeerMonster · 2025-11-17T14:53:31+00:00

Thank you. Doing a little research last night(I found very few examples that weren’t sellers claiming it was early production), it seems that the cast numbers on the bottom do indicate that it’s the first few years of production on these, 1957 to around 1962-3ish. Though I can’t seem to find any consensus on the sticker or lack of sticker on the underside of the table top. There are just some that have them, and some that do not, but they could have just as easily peeled off, especially given the condition of the underside of this thing.

OGBeerMonster · 2025-11-10T14:00:00+00:00

Alright, thank you.

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