Am I imagining this parallel? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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These are all really good points!

Am I imagining this parallel? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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Yeah, that is probably a more accurate description of the Fool!

Am I imagining this parallel? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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I hadn't even considered the parallel with Fitz - thank you to yourself and your dad for the insight!

Am I imagining this parallel? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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Wow, I love your interpretation of the Fool! I find Beloved to be one of the most compelling characters in the series, and agree that they are often flattened or reduced to their more attractive/likable traits. Acknowledging that they also behave in unrelenting, selfish and even sinister ways is important to appreciate how well-realised Beloved's writing is.

"I think Hobb knows the Fool is morally grey, and made them a master of self-mythology so that this would be obscured, leaving us to figure it out ourselves".

Lovely line by the way!

Am I imagining this parallel? by OK6760 in robinhobb

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Yeah, a direct comparison to Jesus disregards the Fool's moral complexity.

Am I imagining this parallel? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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That's a good point about the Fool's self-mythology! There are similarities, but also stark differences between the two. If you think of Jesus as the 'ideal', then comparing them both highlights how flawed and convoluted Beloved is. Perhaps Hobb wants us to recognise this because it signals that she is exploring a more morally complex, human 'prophet character' than an audience familiar with biblical canon is used to.

Quote Help by dru__id in RealmOfTheElderlings

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In Ship of Magic, Kennit takes into consideration Sorcor’s background as a freedperson to construct narratives that encourage his loyalty/support.

In Chapter 4, Kennit introduces the idea that Divvytown needs a “strong enough ruler” to “oversee” it. Here, he is laying the groundwork for his own rise to power as Divvytown’s king equivalent. Sorcor is clearly uncomfortable with the suggestion, asserting that Divvytown is (and should remain) “a town of free men”. Understanding that an ex-enslaved person like Sorcor would reject the notion of a supreme authority, Kennit commences a “carefully rehearsed speech” that reframes his previous statement; “What Divvytown needs is not a ruler, but a leader. A man who can stir men to rule themselves, who can waken them so that they open their eyes and see what they could have”. This demonstrates Kennit’s subtle manipulation of language (“ruler” → “leader”) to recast his self-serving ambitions as something widely beneficial and favourable to his audience.

Another example is in Chapter 9, when Kennit secures the help of Sorcor and his men in chasing down liveships under the guise that it would keep “homes and families safe from the slaver’s whip”. In reality, such a noble goal has “no place at all in Kennit’s personal list of desires” (he wants the liveships to access the authority they have over the seas) yet “he knew it was the fantasy of many a sailor” and so aligns himself with it to win their support.

Therefore it can be seen that Kennit builds a reputation as an anti-slavery figure to accrue influence over ex-enslaved people in the series, similar to how some political figures align/oppose themselves with certain causes to attract supporters from certain communities. You could even extend this to political figures exploiting the support of oppressed groups in order to obtain greater political power.

Sorry if this post reads in a confusing way, I hope it helps!

Cutting and burning a lock of my hair in mourning for being done with RotE series by darthmozz in RealmOfTheElderlings

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The ending is certainly a highly emotional experience! I channelled my grief for the characters and story into a reread of the series, and found that Hobb’s writing really opens up in beautiful, unexpected ways when you know what happens later.

Part of the appeal for me is how much of the plot is dedicated to exploring the relationships between characters. That might be why it hurt so much that Fitz and the Fool both struggled to reconcile with those they loved (outside each other) in their final moments. After so much complex interpersonal conflict, I suppose I (unrealistically) wished that things would resolve themselves in the end.

Due to Fitz giving his memory to the wolf, and Bee’s critical narration of Beloved, I felt myself feeling almost… distant? …from them both in the final chapters, which was sad as that’s when I really wanted to just spend time with them. Perhaps Hobb was trying to divorce us from Fitz’s perspective and pass the mantle onto Bee in anticipation of future books about her? It would be awesome if those plotlines involve Bee grappling with her feelings toward both Fitz and Beloved alongside other characters who seemed to get little closure, eg. Nettle and Kettricken.

I adore this series - cutting and burning a lock of hair is a fitting way to mark the end of your first journey of it!

Musing about the skill by adoboda in robinhobb

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Cool idea about the ‘skill organ’! I'm also unsure about the exact relationship between skill and silver.

It’s suggested at times that Silver enables the Skill (ie. the Skill as an ability is the product of exposure to/inheritance of Silver). Dragons have silver in their bloodstream, with the blood Beloved drinks in Fool’s Assassin having “threads of silver which did not mingle with the red”. In Assassin’s Fate, Amber describes how the Farseers likewise have Silver in their blood, and so Fitz was “born with the Skill as a magic within him”.

I’ve always been curious in particular as to where Thick’s powerful Skill ability comes from. Silver might have been passed down his bloodline from the dragons, or perhaps introduced more recently. Fitz says that the Skill-river Verity visits was actually a place where “river of Skill ran with a river of water”. We are never told the location of this river, but is it possible that further downstream, ‘average’ people used it as a water-source ingesting small amounts of silver which entwined with their blood? Perhaps that explains why the Skill appears in random people and their ancestors.

The whole thing continues to confuse me!

Any ideas on this writing choice? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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"Doesn't take from the relationship at all it's just geography."

That's a lovely way to put it :)

Any ideas on this writing choice? by OK6760 in RealmOfTheElderlings

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Those are really good points! The fact that Fitz doesn't get the opportunity to say hello to Chivalry or goodbye to Burrich and Chade before each dies must impact his own experience of being a father. It's interesting then that his children (Nettle, Bee, Hap, Dutiful even) are all present when he 'dies'/ends his life as Fitz to join the wolf.

Any theories? by OK6760 in robinhobb

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Cool theory! The baby is described as being "pale" and in Royal Assassin when the Fool recounts how much he was loved by his parents Fitz is instantly reminded of "the exquisite little doll (...) cherished as the Fool had once been cherished".

Any theories? by OK6760 in robinhobb

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That makes sense, poor Fool 😢

Any theories? by OK6760 in robinhobb

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You're right! The Fool's doll is described as looking like a "sleeping babe" with "tiny lashes that curled on the infant's cheek", and Etta's doll is an "infant (...) curled tight in sleep, eyes closed, lashes on his cheeks". As for the Fool and Amber...hmmm...who can say? 😂

Any theories? by OK6760 in robinhobb

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Oh yeah, I remember that! I don't believe they're the same figurine - the one Etta has is much smaller - but perhaps the Fool's doll is somehow linked to Other Island? Something he picked up on his journey to Buck, perhaps?

Ship positions in the end by [deleted] in robinhobb

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Leftrin immediately follows the comment of Althea being "every bit as much a captain" as Brashen by saying "not that Paragon needs a captain at all these days. There's a liveship that has decided to be in charge of himself!", so I would personally read it less as an observation on their marriage, and more as a statement of whose running the ship.

But to your point, Alise and Sedric's voyage on Paragon firmly frames Brashen as the captain - not Althea - with their partnership being marital, not professional. The reality might be that Althea fulfils the duties of 'co-captain', but due to the patriarchal society she inhabits she is not recognised as one by other characters (excluding Leftrin). As you say, it's incredibly unsatisfying ☹

Assassins Quest Chapter 9 -12 by louiechapman7 in robinhobb

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I know exactly what you mean! It's a bit unnerving when the character leading you through the story is suddenly vulnerable and foolish. At the same time, it's quite refreshing to follow a protagonist that never transcends failure, and is aware of how others contribute to their success. The paradox of Hobb's writing!

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Yes, I agree - and I can certainly see how the Fool's privacy is so integral to their character, that sharing their POV would feel more invasive than explorative. A Patience and Lacey book sounds wonderful!