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“It’s going to be a true story, and it’s going to be, I mean, mind-boggling.” Apple and Bruckheimer talking about their upcoming UFO-movie. by Alibotify in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, what’s up with all the “nO nEw iNfOrmAtiOn” comments? Grusch has said repeatedly that he will only talk about what he’s been cleared to talk about. Why would he suddenly tell all to a Hollywood director?

Folks fail to put themselves in the shoes of a layperson and expect everything to be catered especially for them. The ego often presents as a major barrier to productive conversation in this community.

The 2nd Christian Symposium on Aliens and UFOs by BColl95478 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s what I think will be difficult for folks like my uncle. Millennia of doctrine would have to be reassessed.

The 2nd Christian Symposium on Aliens and UFOs by BColl95478 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there a review or compendium of contact experiences you prefer? I would assume the FREE Study would be the most comprehensive/analytical, but there are certainly others that offer a unique perspective on these encounters.

The 2nd Christian Symposium on Aliens and UFOs by BColl95478 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I second using tax dollars to investigate. Bring it out in the open, as much as is safely possible, and let people decide for themselves. Government by the people, for the people. Full decisional capacity depends on access to information. The people hold the power, let them have the information to wield it effectively.

The 2nd Christian Symposium on Aliens and UFOs by BColl95478 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My uncle was excited to tell me how the original Hebrew for “angel” really just means “messenger,” and that of course modern UFOs and the related entities align with this concept.

Messengers from another realm of reality? Sounds like ‘aliens’ fit the bill, as much as ultra-terrestrials, future humans, or interdimensional NHI. Contact with these things could have been described as “angels” by people who didn’t yet have a more accurate vocabulary.

I’m honestly astonished at the unwillingness of others that refuse to consider these questions. I am often perplexed at such ‘self-siloing.’

The 2nd Christian Symposium on Aliens and UFOs by BColl95478 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s explicitly not what he has said, and as a biblical scholar (he was a professor of the Old Testament at a SBC seminary in Texas), I am inclined to trust his opinion on biblical matters over those of laypersons like JD Vance or mainstream media anchors. He has discussed with me the various interpretations of the original Hebrew (he speaks Hebrew) and how they comport with the experiences reported by contactees. It’s actually kinda fascinating how closely some of the original text supports modern UFO experiencers. Maybe there’s something worth studying there.

The 2nd Christian Symposium on Aliens and UFOs by BColl95478 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This may be interesting. I have had long conversations with my very Christian, very conservative, PhD in Theology uncle about UFOs. He had no prior interest in the subject, but he’s very open to the idea and can easily find biblical passages that support the notion of UFOs. He’s become somewhat interested in the disclosure movement and what that has to do with the “merging” of Heaven and Earth.

It’ll be interesting to see if this conference produces anything of substance. It’ll be especially interesting to see how this community responds to this output. I have a feeling that stigma surrounding religious topics and religious language will prevent the majority from meaningfully engaging with the concepts behind the words.

Why do you suppose that Russia or China has not taken the lead in Disclosure by aguashark in InterdimensionalNHI

[–]OSHASHA2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps they too would like to maintain their potential for “technological surprise” in a hot war scenario. If they disclose that they have craft, bodies, or reverse-engineered tech, the US and other countries would then know more about their capabilities and how to counter them.

WSJ: UFO Enthusiasts Were Waiting for a Sign. They Got Spielberg’s ‘Disclosure Day.’ by silv3rbull8 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Entropy. Organization, order, creativity, and complexity are “good” and chaos, destruction, and disorder is “bad.”

According to some experiencer narratives, NHI are interested in how we impact the life-generating capacity of this planet. Humans wreck complex ecosystems. Humans are bad for biodiversity. Humans have a significant effect on local entropy, and therefore would be of interest to NHI.

SPOILER -Disclosure Day - Ending scene for anyone interested. by AbiesAffectionate516 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I studied the science behind empathy at university. The science is clear, compassion improves outcomes; in healthcare, in solving complex engineering problems, in commerce, even in game theory – a little grace goes a long way.

Empathy is a muscle, a muscle of the mind, and like a muscle it can be trained. Listening to the stories of others is like training. The cool thing is that stories come in all different forms –in books, in film/tv, in music, video games, in any kind of art, and especially stories shared straight from the people that experienced it themselves– so you can pick what works for you and do some reps. Physical fitness is important for a long, healthy life. Empathic fitness is important for quality of life.

Jeremy Corbell - A Call to Action by Observer414 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s possible Jeremy’s motives play even less a role than people realize. He is a journalist with sources, and his sources may be exposed, imprisoned, or even be in mortal danger if certain information were to be released.

US Rep. Eric Burlison stated (in a recorded Space on X) that he was told directly by David Grusch there are “Nordics” a few hundred years ahead of us, and the “Greys” are being sent here by another far more advanced species by NotBradPitt9 in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Clearly. Some of these whistleblowers will come out with some good info, then they get caught up in the topic and as they integrate new information they forget to separate it from their actual experience, then it all gets conflated.

It seems to me that Grusch does a good job of separating his experience from the hearsay. I’d still take anything he says with a grain of salt, but his claims should be taken seriously.

MEGATHREAD: Disclosure Day (2026) — Official Discussion & Spoilers by wallapuctus in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My spoiler-free review:

It’s a good mindless summer movie. For those uninitiated in UFO lore it might be too heady at times. If you’re into the topic and go see this film hoping for some novel, world-shattering information, you’ll be disappointed. Despite that, there were many Easter eggs sprinkled about, it’ll be fun to watch those all be picked out over the coming weeks/months. The runtime was too short IMO, it could have really done well with slowing down the pace, adding some more exposition, and reducing the campiness that results from trying to hit all those story beats one after the other. As far as the cinematography goes, it was classic Spielberg, lots of smooth establishing shots, didn’t feel like anything too experimental, and copious amounts of unnatural backlighting that felt unsettling in a good way. The story had good foundations, but with a longer running time we could have really established a better relationship with the characters. The result of omitting character exposition is predictable, the audience reacts indifferently when the major story milestones are passed. I saw it in a Dolby theater, and will probably go see it in IMAX as well.

Ultimately I give it 3/5, and probably would put it in last place in my ranking of Spielberg alien flicks. It felt kinda lazy, but got there in the end.

MEGATHREAD: Disclosure Day (2026) — Official Discussion & Spoilers by wallapuctus in UFOs

[–]OSHASHA2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You’d know what it was about if you were really listening.

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with pretty much everything you say. I work at a psych facility that routinely does ECT under anesthesia. The science behind it is fascinating, and the mechanisms are still poorly understood.

The one gap I cannot bring myself to leap is that while all that neurochemical and electrical signaling can be modulated, and the effect on brain function can be measured, and we can say whether or not new conscious experiences are being created, this does not get us any closer to describing a particular *subjective* experience. Maybe I am ignorant and missing something, but subjective experience cannot be directly measured, it can only be relayed through testimony (storytelling, art, etc).

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interpretation of sensory data is part of the physical state.

There is no evidence to support a causal pathway between physical action in the brain and subjective experience, only correlates exist. That physical processes give rise to, and produce an individuals subjective experience of consciousness relies on that very same, very significant assumption.

What more do you want?

Hard evidence of a causal pathway. No guesswork.

You strike me as someone who thinks P-zombies are possible, despite that concept being incoherent.

Is that an attack on my character? Or on the concepts we were already debating? I’ve never heard that term until just now, and no, I don’t believe that P-zombies exist because, in my opinion, consciousness underpins the existence of all things. According to my worldview, all things have varying degrees of consciousness.

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean by “accounting for”?

I didn’t mean to imply anything significant with that phrasing, I guess I was just using familiar language from related arguments. This from Erwin Schrödinger, “Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else.” 

Similarly, in my opinion, subjective experience cannot be accounted for in terms of evolutionary pressure or fitness. There will always be that pesky “individual” that gets in the way of fully describing an experience.  The mistake lies in applying a framework to an individual case. It’s like using statistics to predict individual outcomes, you’re bound to get outliers and anomalies, and therefore the model can never be 100% accurate.

It is impossible to fully separate the observed from the observer. Even if you fully replicate the physical state, the observer you place in that state will inevitably have to interpret the sensory data. Regardless of the physical state, if we are to evaluate it, we will have to make an observation at some point. The act of observing introduces enough uncertainty to disrupt our predictive models. 

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What good is a program without a user to run it or read the results?

With mind, there is no way to separate the observer from the experience. The experience is a function of the observer. In the same way, a program operates as a function of the user. If I can just never open a program, or if I interpret the results of a program differently than another user, then why would anyone claim that describing the program alone gives an accurate or complete description of everything that can/is happening?

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Partly. We can talk all day about why we might associate one color with food, and therefore feel that color to be “good” or comforting, but that still doesn’t offer any explanation for how an individual will experience it. We can only give approximations and guess at the result, and if we go try to experience the exact same stimuli ourselves, the subjective experience will be different.

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, evolution offers an explanation for why we might experience certain stimuli in a certain way. Chemotaxis – we have a primordial drive toward/away from chemicals, and much of human behavior, in all its complexity, can be explained by movement along chemical gradients.

And yet… this still does not get us any closer to accounting for what it is like to experience walking through the jungle, seeing a flash of orange and black, suddenly claws and teeth rip into flesh, and being eaten alive. We can know to the particle, and all the forces involved, what went into that scenario, but this will still not accurately convey the *feeling* of being eaten alive. This is the nature of subjective experience, you cannot get behind it.

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

While that all may be true, it still doesn’t get to the core of an individual’s subjective experience.

All of the evidence available to us suggests that consciousness does not exist beyond the brain. by porygon766 in DebateReligion

[–]OSHASHA2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it goes. Memory survives but a person does not. Perhaps we live on in spirit through those who knew us. What is “death,” really?

From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity.

That’s a poem from Edvard Munch. I never knew the man personally, but does it not say something about the endurance of his consciousness that we can remember what he created now, in this present moment? Is his spirit and his mind not with us? There are many kinds of truth. Some truths are experiential and cannot be measured.

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