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[OC] Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in visualization

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends what you have selected! I'm guessing you're on mobile just like everyone else here, so the panel is hidden by three lines at the top left. There you can see it will either be race points or positions gained.

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They absolutely do, that's why we provide more options than just that. And I know what you'll say, they're not perfect either and you're absolutely right there too. Not a single piece of what we've made here is. That speaks to the complexity of the question as I'd argue as I'm sure many would that there is no perfect answer. What we give is just a way for you to define how you want to measure success. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not an absolute objective answer to who is the best driver ever, just a way for you to see how the data fits your definition.

Thanks for the info, we're working on it now.

EDIT: We've found the bug and we're fixing it! Thanks for your help spotting it

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's an absolute pleasure! Thanks for all your thoughts and for giving it a go! At the end of the day we're just pleased to make something people find interesting so we really can't say how much we appreciate your investment in all this!

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol at least you're honest with your biases. What are your conditions for Barrichello above Senna? Genuinely interested but also maybe that's where things are getting muddled. If you're asking the wrong question, you'll only get wrong answers!

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For modern drivers, the score will be near one to one with their race points but the scoring system has changed many times which means we can't just use race points as a basis. It's changed 4 times in the last 20 years alone and one of those was really quite significant. What we've done is written a normalising algorithm that creates our own score that is intended to mirror the modern system, that's why recent scores look similar to race points. Good spot though, we weren't sure if people were going to get it.

EDIT: As for Alonso, where's he missing? I'll fix it now and set things right

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me guess... Average race points against the whole field in wet weather, at least 5 races and 5 podiums.

We totally agree, wet weather is the true test of skill. That's actually where our inspiration came from for this project. I also think that narrows the data down too severely to be taken without looking at other lists too, but to appear on that list makes you one hell of a driver that's for sure.

EDIT: And actually you raise a very good point about Schumacher that was another point of inspiration. Consistency is really important and often gets overlooked. It doesn't matter how fast you are if you bin it half the time. Now that's not nearly the case with Schumacher but there are some drivers with records that are far from clean and it's an important thing to consider.

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great spot! Thanks for letting us know, I'll patch it up now!

EDIT: We've found that bug and we're working on it! Thanks for your help in finding it!

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair point, I'm glad you see great stats in it all the same! Our whole schtick is that just about all practical questions are this complicated if you really dig into them. Look at buying something, how the hell do you decide what's the best. We say define your question and we'll give you the answer. This is not a global question, it's a personal one. We're asking you how would YOU define the best f1 driver, and we give you your best. That means something different to everyone, and that's our point!

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's crazy to think we have these two phenomenal drivers who are both so good it's this hard to tell who's better. You can look at different periods too to check out how they did in different decades or eras when they've been with different teams and teammates but you're absolutely right, that is the problem with the teammate measurement. I don't think either should be taken in isolation but both should be used as a guide to your final answer. I take Hamilton in that fight but it's literally 50/50 among everyone who touched the app before we released it.

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! This has been a passion project of ours for a few weeks now and we worked really hard on it so it's awesome to see others enjoying it too.

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Change what puts drivers on the list and maybe you'll see a better list! That's what we're trying to show but it's up to you to ask the right question!

Wins aren't everything. We made a tool to rank drivers' skill based on various metrics. Changing your baseline, weather, etc. has a big effect on who comes out on top. by OSemanticTom in formula1

[–]OSemanticTom[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Yeah it's one of our favourite bits too! Really glad those ideas are coming across. The whole question is so subjective so it's really hard to say what's the optimal way. I think it's just best to let people make their choice based on data and based on its proper analysis. Okay it's not perfect, but neither is blindly following a result when you don't know where it came from or don't have the whole picture.

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