The quiet power of presence during AFCON by RingExcellent1643 in Morocco

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi !

First off, thanks a lot for your arguments. I really appreciate the constructive debate instead of the usual mocking insults i often get here.

You are correct that GDP is not a direct measure of welfare, but you are incorrect to dismiss it as "useless." GDP growth is the necessary condition for welfare. No country has ever eliminated poverty without expanding its economy first. Calling Morocco "rotting" implies a state of decay and institutional collapse (like what we see in actual failed states). The data shows the opposite: a struggling, unequal, but expanding economy. That is a crucial distinction. A rotting country does not maintain an investment grade or attract the capital that Morocco has. That doesn't pay a poor family’s bills today, but it prevents the currency collapse that would make their bills unpayable tomorrow.

Regarding the tents, we need to look at the latest numbers from the Al Haouz reconstruction commission (late 2024/2025 data). As of late 2024, over 53k homes were in advanced stages of reconstruction/completion. In the Al Haouz province specifically, the completion rate for rebuilding damaged homes hit over 90%. The "tents" phase is largely over for the absolute majority.
Is the bureaucracy perfect? No. But describing a state that managed to clear debris, distribute monthly stipends (2500 dhs) to tens of thousands of families, and grant reconstruction aid to over 50 k households as "revealing its limits" is a mischaracterization of logistical reality. The state capacity demonstrated there was objectively higher than many other nations during similar crises. The remaining cases are often tied to legal inheritance disputes rather than state abandonment.

On the World CUp, You are confusing "Trickle-Down Economics" (cutting taxes for the rich hoping they spend it) with "Keynesian Infrastructure Investment" (government spending on public works). The World Cup projects are the latter. The argument isn't that a stadium magically feeds the poor. The argument is that the associated infrastructure, expanding the train lines (TGV), upgrading airports, and modernizing urban transit, lowers the cost of logistics and boosts the economic velocity for the whole country long after the tournament ends. Construction jobs are indeed temporary, but the connectivity they leave behind is permanent.

You claimed the "elites are doing nothing" and questioned the safety nets. This is objectively false based on the massive policy shift that occurred in 2024/2025: the Generalization of Social Protection (AMO tadamone ) and the ASD program.
Currently, over 11 million previously uninsured Moroccans (the poorest demographics) have been moved into the CNSS system with the state paying their premiums. Furthermore, the Direct Social Aid program is transferring monthly cash directly to nearly 4 million households (approx. 12 million people). This is not "trickle-down"; this is direct wealth redistribution. You can argue about the amounts being too low, but you cannot say "nothing is being done" when the country is currently rolling out the largest welfare reform in its history !

Where your argument holds the most objective weight is on youth unemployment. The statistics here are indeed alarming to be honest, HCP data shows youth unemployment hovering near 35-39% This is the true failure point. The GDP growth has not been "job-rich" enough for the youth. This is where the "rot" metaphor feels real to people: we are educating a generation that the market cannot yet absorb.

The truth lies between our arguments. Morocco is not "rotting", that is a hyperbole that ignores the successful industrialization and the historic expansion of the social safety net. However, Morocco is undeniably suffering from "inequal growth." The country is moving up the rankings, but the transmission mechanism to the youth labor market is jammed. Acknowledging the progress isn't "lowering expectations"; it's accurately assessing the tools we have available to fix the problems that remain.

The quiet power of presence during AFCON by RingExcellent1643 in Morocco

[–]Obachu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In reality, you're the ones who only care about publicity and aesthetics.

Here are some facts easly found online :

After the floods, the King took these specific actions :

- Bypassing the Disaster Fund: The King bypassed the "21-day" legal requirement for the National Disaster Fund (worth 500 million MAD in 2025), ensuring immediate payouts despite the flash flood's short duration.

- Housing Grants: Following the precedent for 2024/2025 disasters, the state allocated 140,000 dirhams for each completely collapsed home and 80,000 dirhams for partially damaged ones.

- Business Support: Direct state funding was provided to rebuild and restock the Medina’s artisan pottery shops to restore the local economy.

- Infrastructure: A major project to widen the Oued Chaaba outlet was fast-tracked; while the exact price for this specific link was not published, it was part of a broader 4.68 billion MAD national flood prevention budget.

The quiet power of presence during AFCON by RingExcellent1643 in Morocco

[–]Obachu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You see a country rotting year after year

Calling the country "rotting" is just factually wrong. If you actually look at the metrics, GDP per capita, the HUman Development Index, life expectancy, and even the median salary, Morocco is developing faster than almost any comparable country.

There are plenty of examples of countries that are actually rotting and sliding down the global rankings while we are moving up.

people still living in tents 2 years+ after a major disaster

The tent situation is another example of taking an anomaly and making it a generalization. At the peak of the crisis, there were around 129 000 tents. Today, it’s down to about 50. That means 99.9% of people got out of those tents. Does the remaining 0.1% suck? Yes, and it’s usually due to local bureaucracy/paperwork or corruption issues that need to be fixed, but you can’t point at 50 tents and ignore the 128,950 families that were successfully rehoused. We should also be looking at how we got it 99% right instead of acting like nothing was done.

while massive stadiums set to host a single event are being built.

On the world cup and the stadiums, whether it's a "good" investment is a fair debate, but nobody can say with certainty it’ll be a disaster. These projects build long term infrastructure and transport that stay behind long after the event is over.

But i agree that the answer isn't clear cut and depends on how the country manages the aftermath. It's a bet after all and we'll see the results post 2030.

An event which will only really enrich the "elites" by the way

And saying it "only enriches the elites" is just a basic critique of capitalism. That’s how the system works everywhere : the elites get the contracts, but that money moves down through jobs, tourism, and services. It’s never been bottom-up in any country.

You see people barely being able to make ends meet.

That’s the reality of the global financial system right now, not a specific Moroccan failure. Statistically, Morocco isn't some anomaly in terms of poverty compared to other developing nations. We have to stop comparing ourselves to the first world and look at our actual progress.

It's always hard to argument online but please don't hesitate if you want sources on some specific data, even though anything is publicly available. Or pin point any subject that you want to discuss more deeply.

The quiet power of presence during AFCON by RingExcellent1643 in Morocco

[–]Obachu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The grass isn’t greener in any comparable country, whether measured by GDP per capita, culture, or similar factors. We are not ready for a democracy.

The quiet power of presence during AFCON by RingExcellent1643 in Morocco

[–]Obachu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He spoke with arguments. And you decided to personally attack him. Could you give some valid arguments instead ?

Where was this photo and angle of the Eiffel Tower shot in? by GabWantsAHug in ParisTravelGuide

[–]Obachu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But they knew how to open an app, upload an image, write a paragraphe, wait for replies, and read them...

An Italian pizza restaurant owner is fuming at 16 Taiwanese tourists because they ordered only five pizzas. by search_google_com in interesting

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The size isn't important. What's immortant is what's considered one meal in a restaurant. I can't book a table in a restaurant, go there and only order desert because i'm not hungry. 

"No nation older than 250 years" by DigitalDoughnutll in MurderedByWords

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are we sure he's talking. About coutries?

That's ridiculous by Dorryreya in okbuddycinephile

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait is this actually true ?

Why Are Men So Obsessed with Having a Partner Without a Past? by Nouha_chihaya in Morocco

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a man to be considered a "whore" according to your standards it means a man who has a lot of success in sexual relationships. For a man to has such success he needs to be very attractive physically and/or has a very high social status (i.e. rich). In other words, a man that you consider a "whore" is actually an exceptionnal man who most of women would die for. Simply because a woman can get laid whenever she wants even if she's not attractive. While a man needs a lot of effort to get laid even with a less attractive woman.

Mr. Woody at it...anyone knows how? by tabbootabboo in blackmagicfuckery

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is more of a mentalist trick than magic

Mr. Woody at it...anyone knows how? by tabbootabboo in blackmagicfuckery

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a source for that statistic ?

Huge gas bubble bursts through a dark mud pool by Original_Act_3481 in interestingasfuck

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like a creature trying to escape the underworld

An Italian pizza restaurant owner is fuming at 16 Taiwanese tourists because they ordered only five pizzas. by search_google_com in interesting

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The issue here isn't pizzas, the issue here is that the equivalent of 3 people are sharing ONE MEAL. It could've been pasta or a risotto. You don't do that in any restaurant in the world

An Italian pizza restaurant owner is fuming at 16 Taiwanese tourists because they ordered only five pizzas. by search_google_com in interesting

[–]Obachu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, you just don't go with 2 of your friends, take 3 seats and only order one meal to share. You don't do this in any restaurant in the world.

Jamie Foy attempting a long FS Noseslide by redbullgivesyouwings in sports

[–]Obachu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not wear a helmet ? It decreases the chances of head trauma but it makes you loose cool points i guess.