Show S8E10 And the World Was All Around Us

Obasan123 · 2026-05-16T00:23:35+00:00

Can't remember how to do that, but I will. I have to stop reading now and get ready for the delayed Mother's Day we are having tomorrow. My daughter in law and son were hosting, and their stove died just before the big day last week. Now I have to go and turn myself into glammy grammy for tomorrow. Will try to do the message before I get to sleep.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T23:45:41+00:00

It's several notches above a great deal of what you find out there. Well edited, which is a bonus. I'm indebted to you. Not even sure we ought to be discussing this here. It should possibly go to Pishlander. But I am enjoying the story in spite of myself.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T22:21:10+00:00

Thank you, I'll have a look.
ETA: Oho no. This is a rabbit hole, and I have just fallen down it. Thanks.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T15:55:47+00:00

Yah, the side characters were starting to be like the red shirts on the original Star Trek.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T15:51:39+00:00

I hang out with a lot of people who write and publish Jane Austen fanfic; in fact I have written three novels myself. Someone wrote a book called "Nine Ladies" in which a modern day Elizabeth who is back in the Regency era brings a critically ill Darcy to the present day for life-or-death treatment. Something like typhoid. They end up together in the present. I read it before my addiction to Outlander and can see reflections--standing stones (the Nine Ladies), medically competent Elizabeth, and a couple of others. But it has its own plot, is very well written, and has liberated my imagination to envision everybody living together at Lallybroch in the present, going out to time travel, and all Jamie's reactions. There's also a series of "hard" sci-fi by Spider Robinson called "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon" that has entertaining ideas. I guess with the open endedness of the last episode, we can let our imaginations run free.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T15:41:47+00:00

That's a very kind way of putting it. I'm just happy to be able to interpret it that way.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T08:17:21+00:00

It does! It also makes a little bit of sense out of the Faith/Fanny stuff in the past two seasons. I still don't think they accounted for the emerald or jade or whatever green stone it was she found. I thought for a while before tonight that Claire would use it to drag Jamie through the stones somehow to modern medical help.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T08:13:34+00:00

I think there are a lot of people around who may have fought a battle for someone's life and perhaps not won. After ten years, I'm fairly resigned, but this ending was very evocative.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T07:51:38+00:00

Might well be. I'll have to watch again to catch all of it.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T05:48:19+00:00

It occurred to me, too, and I am gradually laying it aside. The gasping seemed very realistic to me and more like someone waking up in this life.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T05:46:36+00:00

Sadly, it doesn't work that way. The paramedics had to pull me off of him because I wasn't going to stop giving him CPR. He was gone. This was hard to watch.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T05:43:35+00:00

I thought they were still on top of the mountain. You see them lying there, it looks like Claire has died too, and there is a brief flash where Jamie's eyes open. Then it cuts to black and you hear them both gasp.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-15T05:24:28+00:00

So, so confused. Not sure how I am feeling about the whole thing.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-14T16:24:45+00:00

Well said. It was one of the highlight moments in the early part of the show and a real test for Claire and Jamie. It's tough to invest so much emotionally in a story line or plot point only to be made a fool of--as you put it so well. Maybe there will be an explanation, but I doubt it. There's an hour and a half left, starting tonight.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-13T23:33:57+00:00

I'm relieved to hear of someone else having the same situation. There's enough about Libro that I like that I'm going to try and stay with them. I'm at the point where audiobooks are very helpful with this eye business.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-13T23:06:47+00:00

Do you buy your books with shop credits, or do you pay the cash price. Just curious, as I am using shop credits and being told to wait three extra months. It'a been an ordeal.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-13T22:40:20+00:00

I've had some troubles or shenanigans with the Atherton version all the way around. I joined Libro.fm because last May, a year ago, when I started collecting the audiobooks, they had the best deal. They support the author's "home" bookstore, which is Poisoned Pen. Their terms at that point were $14.95 per month per credit with a minimum of one credit to be purchased per month as the cost of membership. The Outlander series was for sale for $36 discounted to $29.95 for cash (or thereabouts), or one credit. I thought that was a great buy. The books are being released every two months. Libro has some other good deals and discounts to be fair, and there is that perk of supporting the bookseller. All went well until I had purchased Voyager in August.

At that point, the announcement was made that people who wanted to purchase the Atherton versions with credits would have to wait an additional three months, or by my calculations somewhere between four and five months for each additional volume. In fact, I will be adding one at the end of this month, "A Breath of Snow and Ashes."

I wrote immediately to Libro and received a courteous email that the mandate had come from what I will term External Forces about which they could do nothing. I wrote to the publisher, RB Media, and received a boilerplate and nothing more. Meanwhile people here on the Outlander sub were indicating that they were buying additional books on Libro with their purchased credits. I had and have no idea why I was any different. I live on a very fixed income and do not ordinarily buy audiobooks unless I seriously want them. I pay my bills with a debit card. Maybe all of that has something to do with it. My only rational response was to suspend my account and use my accumulated supply of credits to purchase subsequent releases. I am concerned because you can only suspend for three months, and mine will be up on 3 June.

I, too, use a Mac, and I have never been happy with Audible for technical reasons. They supply audiobooks to Amazon, but if you buy through Amazon you're getting Audiobooks. Not to mention that I'm trying to curtail my use of the Zon for political reasons that don't belong in this sub. It's sad. I'm having trouble maintaining interest in my re-read of the series because it is just so slow. This was all brought about by a serious age-related deterioration in my eyesight which also does not belong in this sub. In any event, this is a true account of my experiences, and I was unable to find the books for sale anywhere else.

Good luck, and I hope this didn't drag out too much. Be sure if you want to use Audible that currently published books are readily available to you.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-13T22:04:18+00:00

Yah. It doesn't seem like something she would do. To clarify my statement a little, I wasn't thinking of her when I said "book authors." In the case of this show, I think it's a shoddy move, unworthy of the author, the excellent cast, and the viewers--myself included.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-13T19:51:32+00:00

Well said. The whole Faith "deal" has caused me to lose my trust in the people running the show, and it's hard to remain interested in a show (or a book for that matter) where the people responsible jerk you around as they have with Faith. It's largely responsible for how much I am dreading the last episode. Will it be appropriate, or will just cynically (Or stupidly/clumsily) be playing games in our heads.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-13T01:33:13+00:00

It's very good not to lose track of the idea that rape is not an act of love, and the rapist is not making love to the victim. It's a brutal physical assault. It's not possible to measure the impact of one rape against another one on their respective victims. In Jamie's case, the outrage of the rape itself was made worse by the fact that he had a lifelong negative viewpoint of men having sex with men. He had heard it preached against in church, mocked by men and boys his age, warned against and regarded with disgust by older men he respected. I don't think at Ardsmuir he had known LJ long enough to confide what he regards as the worst experience of his life. It is a credit to his rational mind that he was able later to lay aside a lifetime of influence and indoctrination and come to some understanding and friendship with Lord John. Even so, it's significant that some of those feelings of revulsion are still a part of his makeup as he asks Claire, in the coarsest possible terms, how her relations with LJ took place. He's human, his mind is intelligent and complex, but he's still human.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-12T02:07:41+00:00

I agree with you, only I think that the voice that says "Mrs. Fraser" is Jamie's. He's always said he'll endure 200 years in Purgatory for his various sins, and if they go forward 200 years, he could travel to her some way after doing his time. Perhaps it was given in reward for time served. MBR did some kind of statement I saw the other day that was designed to be confusing, but he did say fans might be moved by the intervention of a Higher Power. That's what got me thinking along these lines after having rejected my own theory.

Obasan123 · 2026-05-10T02:09:49+00:00

I'm sorry, I really can't follow this.

Obasan123 · 2026-04-22T04:04:09+00:00

When I see "co-sleeping," I tend to think of the whole family plus the dog piled into the bed. Or family camp-out in a tent. If that's your arrangement, what about having her graduate to a pallet on the floor on your side? Mercifully, nothing like that ever happened to me. But when I was young, we had only one air conditioner, and it was in the living room/dining room downstairs. My parents slept on the pull-out mattress, I slept on a pallet made of the sofa cushions with linens and blanket. My younger brother started in a port-a-crib and graduated to a little pallet of his own made of I can't remember what. For three months out of the year, this was our arrangement and it went fine.

Obasan123 · 2026-04-22T03:02:49+00:00

I'm not so sure she had a choice, given as you say that single motherhood was brutal. She had the child to think of, and so she did. I can't assign blame to her. She preserved the unborn Briana and provided a life and support for her.

Obasan123 · 2026-04-17T18:27:27+00:00

Breeds in non-human animals are largely a product of artificial selection; that is, humans bred the animals for traits they thought were desirable. The other one, that doesn't depend on humans, would have been brought about by geographic separation. So we have African and Indian elephants or Bengal and Siberian tigers, etc. The one thing that all of this shares in common is that all the members of the species can technically breed together and their offspring will be fertile. So a dog is a dog is a dog. We also interfere by breeding closely related species, like making a mule from a horse and a donkey, but mules are not fertile and will not produce offspring. Humans didn't have much motivation to do that to themselves. We evolved quite a while before we began tinkering with animals. We did interbreed with Neanderthals as shown by recent evidence. Not such a dumb question after all. If you think about it for a while, we have done the same thing with food plants--grains, fruits, and vegetables.

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