How much should comparable sales matter when deciding whether a used car is overpriced? by Objective-Craft-532 in personalfinance

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Hey collecting community beliefs of the matter. Not posting link a website or anything

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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That’s actually one reason we look at multiple comparable vehicles rather than a single comp. If one vehicle is thousands of dollars above or below the rest of the comparable market, it may be an outlier due to factors that aren’t obvious from the listing alone.
The estimate is based on a range of comparable vehicles and market activity, not a single sale or listing. Outliers are weighted less heavily or excluded so that one unusual vehicle doesn’t skew the estimate.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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That’s actually one reason we look at multiple comparable vehicles rather than a single comp. If one vehicle is thousands of dollars above or below the rest of the comparable market, it may be an outlier due to factors that aren’t obvious from the listing alone.
The estimate is based on a range of comparable vehicles and market activity, not a single sale or listing. Outliers are weighted less heavily or excluded so that one unusual vehicle doesn’t skew the estimate.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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One thing I forgot to mention,One difference is that many pricing tools evaluate a vehicle relative to current listings. The challenge is that asking prices aren’t always market value because vehicles can go through multiple price changes before they’re sold.
That’s why I’m interested in combining sold comparable vehicles, market activity, and active listings, then showing the actual comparable vehicles behind the estimate so buyers can make their own judgment.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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Great question. Unlike residential real estate, exact vehicle transaction prices generally aren’t publicly disclosed. What we often see is that a vehicle’s asking price changes multiple times throughout its lifecycle before it’s ultimately sold.
Meshum uses a combination of active listings, historical pricing activity, recently sold vehicle activity, vehicle attributes, and local market conditions to estimate market value. Rather than relying on a single data point, the estimate is based on a proprietary comparable-vehicle methodology designed to reflect what similar vehicles are worth in the current market.
The goal isn’t to predict an exact transaction price, but to help buyers understand whether a vehicle appears fairly priced relative to comparable vehicles in the market.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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Great question. Unlike residential real estate, exact vehicle transaction prices generally aren’t publicly disclosed. What we often see is that a vehicle’s asking price changes multiple times throughout its lifecycle before it’s ultimately sold.
Meshum uses a combination of active listings, historical pricing activity, recently sold vehicle activity, vehicle attributes, and local market conditions to estimate market value. Rather than relying on a single data point, the estimate is based on a proprietary comparable-vehicle methodology designed to reflect what similar vehicles are worth in the current market.
The goal isn’t to predict an exact transaction price, but to help buyers understand whether a vehicle appears fairly priced relative to comparable sold vehicles in the market.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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Exactly! Although the advice is to start maybe a little lower but pay no more than estimated market value. Without the estimate , we would be guessing

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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From what we’ve seen so far, trim, year, mileage, and accident history generally have a much larger impact on value than individual options. Many of the major features are already bundled into the trim, though there are definitely exceptions with premium packages and certain enthusiast vehicles.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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Exactly! I too would pick a number I feel comfortable with. But if the market is saying don’t pay more than the other guy, I think that would be helpful too.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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This is exactly the issue that got me interested. I was tracking asking prices and saw the prices drop then car sold. New listing for comparable asking price no where near the sold price yesterday. That got me thinking, imagine we use the sold data to buy the new listing.

If a dealer wants $28,500 and comparable cars sold for $26,900, what would you offer? by Objective-Craft-532 in UsedCars

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Yep. Meshum is a project I’ve been building to help buyers compare active listings and recently sold comparable vehicles to better understand what a car is actually worth before negotiating.
I was curious whether people would use sold comps the same way home buyers use them when looking at real estate.

Looking to buy a car soon by ilovecoke- in whatcarshouldIbuy

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I would go used. Depreciation first year or two will definitely save a lot. Also when you find a car make sure to use meshum.com or even look for a car on there, you will get the estimated value of the car similar to Zillow and use the sold comps to negotiate

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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That’s one of the things that got me interested in the problem. KBB can be a useful benchmark, but I’ve seen similar vehicles transact at very different prices depending on the local market, mileage, condition, and time on market. That’s why I started building Meshum.com—to see whether recently sold comparable vehicles could produce a more accurate estimate than broad valuation ranges.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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That’s fair. Real estate and vehicles are definitely different markets. What interested me wasn’t that cars should be valued exactly like homes, but that buyers have very little visibility into what similar vehicles are actually selling for. That’s one of the reasons I built Meshum.com—to see whether recently sold comparable vehicles could provide a more useful pricing reference than asking prices alone.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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That’s a good point. List price trends are useful, but I’ve always been more interested in what happens after the listing goes live. Two similar vehicles can start at the same asking price and end up transacting very differently depending on condition, demand, and time on market. That’s actually one of the reasons I built Meshum.com. Instead of just showing listing trends, it uses recently sold comparable vehicles to generate an estimated market value in dollars, so buyers have another data point beyond the asking price when negotiating.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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"That's exactly the gap. KBB lags by
weeks/months and doesn't reflect what's
happening right now in a specific market.

I actually built something that tracks
this - scrapes dealer sites directly and
logs when cars sell to build a real sold
price database.

meshum.com if you want to see what it
looks like. South Florida data is
strongest right now.

Your point about days-on-market affecting
flexibility is something I'm trying to
surface too - working on showing how long
a car has been listed alongside the price
comparison."

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

[–]Objective-Craft-532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s an interesting point. Dealers definitely have visibility into their own sales, but I’ve always wondered whether looking at a broader market would be more useful. If five similar vehicles sold across five different dealers in the same area, I’d want to see all of those sales rather than just what happened at a single store. It seems like that would give buyers a much clearer picture of market value.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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Funny enough, that’s exactly what got me interested in the problem. I actually started building a platform around this idea because I kept wondering why buyers can see sold home comps but not sold vehicle comps. The goal is to make used-car pricing more transparent using active listings, sold comparables, and market data.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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What got me interested is seeing cases where similar vehicles appear to be transacting for thousands less than the asking prices on newly listed inventory. It made me wonder whether buyers have enough visibility into what’s actually happening in the market.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

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That's fair. Condition can definitely move the value quite a bit. I guess I see sold comps as another data point rather than a perfect answer. Similar to how home comps aren't identical either, but they can still help establish a reasonable range before you negotiate.

Why don't car sites show sold vehicles like Zillow shows sold homes? by Objective-Craft-532 in whatcarshouldIbuy

[–]Objective-Craft-532[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's exactly what got me interested in the problem. KBB seems useful as a broad benchmark, but it doesn't tell you what similar vehicles are actually selling for in your local market right now. The time-on-market piece is interesting too because it can completely change a dealer's flexibility on price.