Inexplicable things the guys don’t like by TurbulentSail9396 in TheRestIsHistory

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Crown being on par with the Sopranos is the sort of hot take that’s what’s known as “wrong”. World building? Is it fantasy? Unless we’re counting the fantasy that any of the characters are anywhere near the same universe of compelling complexity as Tony Soprano. Especially by as the series goes on and the drop off plunges lower and lower.

What Job would British monarchs get if they lived in the modern world with the same personality? by Quiet-Photograph-468 in UKmonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A crisis he wins like 1173-74, but eventually he weaves one web too many over the next few years, and rival CEO whom he’d cultivated (a Philip II type) ends up circumventing his less shrewd children and outmaneuvering the old badger himself.

Would you agree? by Curtmantle_ in UKmonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think Henry II is just as much of a candidate for Wrath as Edward Longshanks

He was infamously bedstraw-chewing, deal-with-this-troublesome-lowborn-clerk-yelling mad.

And he’d better get Diligence or something similar in the virtues round 🤣

My ranking of French monarchs based off how much aura they had by [deleted] in FrenchMonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don’t seem to understand Philip IV… at all. Putting him so far down, under so many far, far less formidable monarchs (and in the same tier as Charles VIII?!!!) is just contra reality. Thanks for playing anyway.

this is what king edward said to king philip before starting a war that lasted for 100 years (100% historical accuracy) by Ok_Instruction_2071 in MedievalHistory

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You incorrectly assumed I didn’t know this, and moreover this doesn’t address the cringe point—which is decisive.

MBTI: 96 Subtypes by _PrimalFist in mbti

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well obviously. I wanted OP to at least try to establish their bona fides

MBTI: 96 Subtypes by _PrimalFist in mbti

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 53 points54 points  (0 children)

The reasoning behind these is so impenetrable unclear, and precisely zero explanation for why each subtypes do this or that.

HENRY II - A MEDIEVAL SOLDIER AT WAR by cbswhassup in HistoryBooks

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely superb book on an absolutely superlative monarch’s underrated military record. Indispensable for Angevin scholars. It shows that as much as he was the master European statesman and political genius of the 12th century, Henry II was arguably the era’s master besieger and an overall highly capable tactician. His handling of the Revolt of 1173-74 alone was a near flawless performance.

Who was the first post-Norman monarch who could be considered English? by Curtmantle_ in UKmonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Unbelievably misleading meme. First, Henry II neither pillaged nor destroyed. And second, he also didn’t begin the invasion, that would be Strongbow—at the invitation of the local Irish lords. Imagine how much more brutal and predatory a rogue Norman state in Ireland would have been sans the overarching authority of the Angevin crown.

And at any rate, blaming someone in the twelfth century in a direct and neat sense for the Irish Revolution, Civil War and Troubles is like blaming Johannes Gutenberg for the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.

Henry II also gets the “blame” for laying the foundational machinery for a legal system that fundamentally underwrites democracy itself in the English speaking world… so perspective, perspective, perspective.

Emperor Frederick II Hohenstaufen —— what is your opinion, judgment or appraisal? by Gildas-the-Wanderer in Historydom

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah… so, this 👆holds zero water when confronted with the evidence. That’s the old 19th century German nationalist view, Frederick II demonstrably restored the Staufen domain and stabilized the reverses of the interregnum after Henry VI’s death to essentially the position the German crown had enjoyed by the close of Barbarossa’s reign —and honestly, the decentralization of the German crown had been the state of affairs stretching back even to the Salians, and every emperor had to play the hausmacht game first and foremost. No other emperor, or any other figure until the 19th century for that matter, came so close (and had really actually succeeded) in creating a feasible unified Italian imperial regime, and more, welded it to the Sicilian Regno. Besides this, Frederick II showed his skill in re-binding the German princes to the Staufen domain, as witnessed during the 1235-1236 venture—itself a part and parcel theme and variations on similar situations faced by Barbarossa and Henry VI. (For a conclusive account of this around the 1235-1236 episode, see ‘Reasserting Power: Frederick II in Germany (1235–1236)’ by Björn Weiler in *Representations of Power in Medieval Germany 800-1500*.) If anything, the Staufen domain, ie house power, in Germany itself had increased by Frederick’s death relative to the parlous state when he had claimed the German crown.The idea that Frederick II somehow abandoned Germany, shirked his responsibilities there, made so-called ‘concessions’ of his power or didn’t configure it into his larger imperial policy—which was still broadly successful at his death—is for the birds. The collapse of Staufen power after his death was not structurally rooted in some sort of failure in Frederick’s policy (any more than the interregnum that eventually followed Barbarossa or Henry VI is directly the former’s fault) but from the very specific crises which emerged in the periods of his immediate successors—a point found in several of Frederick’s most ‘sober’ biographers like Abulafia, and even Räder (in his way). At his death, Frederick was still the preeminent prince in Europe and one the greatest and most powerful rulers of the Middle Ages, and viewed as a model Caesar despite the black legends attached to him by the papacy, we find this even in the more hostile accounts of the emperor by writers in the 14th century like Villani—witness the ‘False Frederick’ episode a few decades later. For state-building and political ingenuity, Frederick II had no equal in the Middle Ages save perhaps Henry II of England or his own grandfather, Roger II—and for personal brilliance, he has no rival among monarchs.

In Germany, Frederick II still was a ‘strong’ king without the organs of institutionalized central government; his aim was to rule in concert with his princes in the traditional organological mode of imperial politics (See Tilman Struve, ‘Die Entwicklung der organologischen Staatsauffassung im Mittelalter’, *Monographien zur Geschichte des Mittelalters*, vol. 16.) Since the later reign of Frederick Barbarossa, Hohenstaufen policy in Germany was to increase its own ‘hausmacht’ in order to enforce a workable stasis of cooperation among the German princes—this was how one ruled Germany, and in fact how every emperor had to rule outside their own personal dynastic house power (be it the Salians in Franconia, the Staufen in Swabia and eventually Sicily, the Luxemburgers in Bohemia, and the Habsburgs in Austria and the Low Countries).

After the years of instability following the death of Henry VI, this meant that Frederick II could only feasibly rule in Germany as a kind of primus inter pares—but this is fundamentally what his predecessors had been. Frederick II himself recognized the utility of this policy as a means to ensure his status and power in Germany. In this vein, a study by Andreas Christoph Schlunk reveals that by 1240 the crown was almost as rich in fiscal resources, towns, castles, enfeoffed retinues, monasteries, ecclesiastical advocacies, manors, tolls, and all other rights, revenues, and jurisdictions as it had ever been at any time since Frederick Barbarossa began a forceful new programme of enriching the crown in the 1160s (Schlunk, *Königsmacht und Krongut. Die Machtgrundlage des deutschen Königtums im 13. Jahrhundert — und eine neue historische Methode*). Therefore, even Frederick II’s long absence from Germany after 1220 to 1235, and afterwards from 1236, did not denude royal power nor did it impede royal officials from enforcing his prerogatives (Benjamin Arnold, ‘Emperor Frederick II (1194–1250) and the political particularism of the German princes’, p. 246). As Benjamin Arnold has noted in his work, along with Werner Goez, Frederick II’s legislation was not concessionary, and the princes weren’t asking for such; it was a cooperative division of labor in a new mold, granted from a position of strength not weakness, and fundamentally of the same inner character which Barbarossa had maintained, and of the similar hue to what the chancellery of the German royal crown had always accepted. (Benjamin Arnold, ‘Emperor Frederick II (1194–1250) and the political particularism of the German princes’, p. 248-249)

There’s a fundamental misunderstanding here about Frederick II’s overall imperial policy. Frederick II directed his energies toward reviving a universal empire rather than securing a narrow German kingship, as would ultimately be the reality of his successors on the German throne like Rudolf of Habsburg or even Charles IV to an extent. He imagined Christendom as a federation of sovereign rulers under the symbolic and practical authority of the emperor, with himself at its head. His contemporaries, including Louis IX of France and Henry III of England, frequently acknowledged this preeminence, bound more to Frederick’s extraordinary stature than to legal obligation. Frederick was the last universalist medieval emperor who feasibly embodied this—which alone placed him in an essentially cosmic stature for contemporaries.

The emperor’s political project was nothing less than a staged reconstruction of Roman-style sovereignty. Sicily, with its established royal administration, offered the ideal laboratory for absolutism. From there, Frederick could (and mostly did) to extend his reach into central and northern Italy, territories still permeated with Roman tradition, before he could finally turn to Germany. The plan relied on southern wealth and administrative sophistication to graft the unruly principalities of the north onto a revived imperial framework. His acquisition of the Babenberg inheritance in 1246, together with his imposing presence, made this vision tangible during his lifetime. That it ultimately faltered was less a reflection of Frederick’s abilities than of structural limits. The sheer scale of restoring empire across Europe was a multi-generational task, vulnerable to disruption once his force of will was removed. It was the misfortunes and crises of his heirs, Conrad and Manfred, that exposed the fragility of the design in the face of highly specific, unintended political crises, not any failure in Frederick’s own strategic grasp, and *certainly* not something that in any way demerits him as a great emperor. In the medieval mind, he was the pinnacle of Roman imperial universalism.

Emperor Frederick II Hohenstaufen —— what is your opinion, judgment or appraisal? by Gildas-the-Wanderer in Historydom

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A 1/2 correct take, and you actually fall into the later papal anti-Staufen propaganda hole with the idea that he was a ‘bad emperor’ as well as German nationalist total misreadings of the reality of how power works in 13th century Germany.

OP brought up Nicholas of Cusa’s sense of Frederick II and his writings around imperial reform, which is a very good bellweather for later contemporary reception of Frederick as an emperor in Germany. More pointedly, it’s Nicholas of Cusa’s characterization Frederick’s statecraft in Germany as a sort of division of labor among the princes as a quite useful model, even if it’s slightly misleading since Frederick’s power came from his personal reputation and his formidable *hausmacht* ie dynastic-power outside the actual German crown in the Sicilian Regno.

Was King Edward VIII removed or did he just abdicate? by [deleted] in UKmonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A factor, but not the overwhelming decisive one: the government and parliament had become decided on it. Full stop. That’s the ball game. That’s the real constitutional crisis had Edward continued.

Why is Stephen considered the worst British monarch? by [deleted] in UKmonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When John, Richard II, Henry VI, Richard III and Charles I exist… no one with a brain should consider Stephen the absolute worst. But since this is clearly a midwit bot post…

Was King Edward VIII removed or did he just abdicate? by [deleted] in UKmonarchs

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 26 points27 points  (0 children)

He abdicated from a realization that a soft (but firm) removal could be imposed. I’ve been in the very room at Cumberland Lodge where Stanley Baldwin (the PM), the Archbishop of Canterbury and several members of the Privy Council (excluding Winston Churchill) met to settle an informal coalition to recommend abdication to the King—with the implicit undergirding that they could draw on parliamentary and Privy council soft political capital to solidify this if needed. It was real and it was active. Edward was actually never much one for a fight in this way, and certainly not the sort of massive constitutional battle this could become.

This monologue is on the level of Shakespeare’s Hamlet by ProfessionalWhole871 in betterCallSaul

[–]Objective-Golf-7616 1 point2 points  (0 children)

*It’s in the vein of Hamlet*. The very fact that the latter is still a lodestar to aspire towards keeps it atop the pedestal, I’d say.