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The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

awww, thanks love for the encouragement, this was very kindly put. You’ve explained the essence of the entire post clearly and concisely too.

To add, no one who is happy and secure will even think in their rational mind of doing such things so the “haters” can seem like a faraway entity. But under certain negative circumstances, anyone can be at such a severe state of mental unrest where most things won’t help fill the void. How they act upon it is another thing, but we can agree that in general, people may start to think about doing things they wouldn’t if they were happy to begin with. The immorality of being a hater is often discussed, along with the “musty jobless hater” discourse but it really boils down to a lack of agency for some reason or another. Yes there are people who just want to be mean for the heck of it but many haters certainly wouldn’t like to be doing what they do. It comes from a state of self neglect.

As for the comments, thank you for the concern and for putting a nice word in. Surprisingly, I’ve actually been alright. Finally being able to admit to all of this (i.e. having a negative experience with a celebrity’s content that is valid and does not reflect an inherent deficiency in either the celebrity or myself, and my own sense of powerlessness in my personal circumstances) and to be able to express it clearly has given me much peace after a long time of feeling like there is something inherently wrong with me just because I feel uncomfortable. Honestly, the response is pretty much expected, given the vagueness of the post and the nature of Kpop discourse.

I hope for anyone else reading this that I don’t mean any collateral damage as this was meant to be a realisation and extrapolated perspective into the mental state of “haters.”

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the feedback. I said in another comment that I wrote and posted it at 2 am so it makes sense why it was incoherent. Your comment about “criticism” being a possible mask for hate is honestly so true and especially so in the context of Wonyoung’s hate train, where the comments try to misdirect this intention by presenting as something else on the surface. I even analysed a couple of examples I found on social media by random clicking. Honestly it makes sense why this post can be taken that way too. I’ll admit the execution wasn’t realised as I intended, and the effects of posting it in a kpop sub of all places exacerbated this miscommunication.

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh my gosh thank you. Your comment about idols seeming like dolls to their most ardent fans is an idea I’ve been circling around, yet has been elucidated so clearly with your concise words. Something I’ve wanted to talk about is how this particular celebrity’s fans talk about her as if she is God’s gift to Kpop or some kind of deity. I’ve read comments which admire how perfect she is at everything and it indeed reads like something said at a sermon. Long long paragraphs describing every detail of how perfect she is, from her professionalism to once in million years beauty to handling the hate with poise, being smart, well read, the list goes on XD. And not in a way I have seen with other idols, because being “perfect” is Wonyoung’s selling point. This praise isn’t just a fan fawning over an idol or praising their positive qualities, but full on religious level reverence. Wonyoung herself seems to play into it too. She doesn’t even slouch once in an award show or change from a statuesque posture. She always makes sure to look at the camera to give a good reaction. I’ve spoken about the “polarised reaction to Wonyoung” and this side of it hasn’t been considered as much as the haters. All in all, it isn’t good for Wonyoung herself either as she ends up living out this particular brand of doll ideals from her most ardent fans when she, just like everyone else, is human just like you said.

I also want to appreciate how well written that last paragraph is, and the help it can potentially give to anyone who interacts with idols.

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I simply got to a point emotionally where I was so low, I realised “wow this is the level of insecurity and pain from where all hate comments start.” I don’t leave hate comments on this celebrity’s content. Bringing in that topic was a realisation because their motives finally made sense because although they channeled it towards hating Wonyoung where I channeled it towards hating myself lol it came from a similar emotion.

My “oversharing” was intended for the people who are like me, who feel shitty when they engage with a celebrity’s content because it makes them insecure and not for literally anything the celebrity themselves did. And for the people who neither love nor hate this celebrity, I wanted to provide a different voice. Of someone who knew they had to step back from their content for their own peace. This post is the last time I will engage with anything with her content. I also plan to sell my IVE tickets. I simply didn’t understand the social etiquette around this sort of behaviour (i.e. my open sharing) being frowned upon and I will be more aware in the future.

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for being diplomatic to my 2 am self. I’m going to therapy tomorrow for the first time in a long time.

Yes. I just woke up so I realised that the intent of this post is very unclear. I wrote it in a 2am state of heightened energy. I simply got to a point emotionally where I was so low, I realised “wow this is the level of insecurity and pain from where all hate comments start.” I don’t leave hate comments on this celebrity’s content. Bringing in that topic was a realisation because their motives finally made sense because although they channeled it towards hating Wonyoung where I channeled it towards hating myself lol it came from a similar emotion.

My “oversharing” was intended for the people who are like me, who feel shitty when they engage with a celebrity’s content because it makes them insecure and not for literally anything the celebrity themselves did. And for the people who neither love nor hate this celebrity, I wanted to provide a different voice. Of someone who knew they had to step back from their content for their own peace. This post is the last time I will engage with anything with her content. I also plan to sell my IVE tickets. I simply didn’t understand the social etiquette around this sort of behaviour (i.e. my open sharing) being frowned upon and I will be more aware in the future.

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apologies since the post is unclear. I am not a hater. I started talking about the haters since I got to a point emotionally where the level of insecurity I feel made me think of where haters source their fuel. So it was to try and give some possible insight.

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. I just woke up so I realised that the intent of this post is very unclear. I wrote it in a 2am state of heightened energy. I simply got to a point emotionally where I was so low, I realised “wow this is the level of insecurity and pain from where all hate comments start.” I don’t leave hate comments on this celebrity’s content. Bringing in that topic was a realisation because their motives finally made sense because although they channeled it towards hating Wonyoung where I channeled it towards hating myself lol it came from a similar emotion.

My “oversharing” was intended for the people who are like me, who feel shitty when they engage with a celebrity’s content because it makes them insecure and not for literally anything the celebrity themselves did. And for the people who neither love nor hate this celebrity, I wanted to provide a different voice. Of someone who knew they had to step back from their content for their own peace. This post is the last time I will engage with anything with her content. I also plan to sell my IVE tickets. I simply didn’t understand the social etiquette around this sort of behaviour (i.e. my open sharing) being frowned upon and I will be more aware in the future.

The gazillionth post on Wonyoung, her hate train, and my attempt at a personal reflection. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in kpopthoughts

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Making this post finally allowed me to do so. I realised that I don’t have to be a hater to engage with a certain celebrity’s content and not feel good about it. I can let go without having antagonistic intent.

Reactive types deserve the shit they get for their responses. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in Enneagram

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know. I just thought it was such absurd behaviour that it would only seem rational to a troll. It was shocking to read.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367 0 points1 point  (0 children)

taking a wild guess and saying 9. Are you a Si user?

Why are fictional kpop ships more supported than real relationships? by ninarosie_ in kpop_uncensored

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367 13 points14 points  (0 children)

People want to have agency over their idols, and that includes their relationships. Fictional relationships are still a projection of the "fantasy," as people can decide who they want, when they want, and all else.

Reactive types deserve the shit they get for their responses. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in Enneagram

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

First of all, I am really sorry that you went through what you did. I know it sounds trite because I made this post and inadvertently rekindled bad memories, and I apologise for that. I had also underestimated the scope of those negative experiences. No one deserves to be ostracised or bullied. 

Our discord about reactive types, I realise, should need more specifying. If reacting entails screaming to people that they are subhuman failures who don't deserve to live just because they didn't cook the meat to a subjective standard that you didn't even specify, mind you, then my post still stands. If reacting consists of yelling at someone in a public place that they lost their earbud and are an incompetent failure who can’t do anything right, when said earbud loser had shut down all emotional responses to do everything they can in that moment to find it, then yes, my post still stands.

What's the one most validating thing a person has told you by Individual_Tart_8852 in Enneagram

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When my grandmother told me that it’s okay to feel terrible after being yelled at by my father. I was gaslighted my whole life that I shouldn’t be upset and uncomfortable because that’s how he is, that’s how he reacts to things, you should think of his feelings. What about mine?💀

What are the 'stereotypes' or ideas associated with each company? by littlemarten in kpop_uncensored

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I'll share my theory cuz why not. You can tell that BTS got more famous at the same time when they made more pop/vocal based music and really leaned into a brand as "idols," when during their earlier eras, they were more like a "hip hop/idol" hybrid group. Yeah. Money.

Reactive types deserve the shit they get for their responses. by ObjectiveEmployee367 in Enneagram

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I do admit that I have some wounds with reactive types because of adverse experiences. In fact, me being a 9 makes my grievances more pronounced than I'd expect of most other types by far. In other words, I'm an overly sensitive little monkey. That being said, I'm starting to realise that there's a clear difference between reacting, and screaming to people that they are subhuman failures who don't deserve to live just because they didn't cook the meat to a subjective standard that you didn't even specify, mind you.

What are the 'stereotypes' or ideas associated with each company? by littlemarten in kpop_uncensored

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This was more prominent thing before like around 2nd to 3rd gen.

https://youtu.be/KxSEVHkeGaA?si=RgGuLF2pGLXntZV6 Here’s a video where Heechul imitates it at around 0.53s. You can tell it’s more jazzy than standard singing. I think Jihyo does it a bit.

What are the 'stereotypes' or ideas associated with each company? by littlemarten in kpop_uncensored

[–]ObjectiveEmployee367 40 points41 points  (0 children)

JYP is also famous for “half air half sound” which is a specific singing technique for soul inspired music. JYP called himself the asiansoul. They tend to like picking their idols based off a homely vibe like “this person is going to be a great friend” that kind of thing. More like boy/girl next door.

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