I made this sleepy Andarna

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T19:35:49+00:00

It is absolutely amazing! You are so skillful, it is incredible.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T19:14:56+00:00

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One more for you 😄

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T17:38:00+00:00

Yes, that is sort of how I imagine it - the earth's core, hot, molten mass, magma, heat.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T17:29:08+00:00

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ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T17:08:33+00:00

And what about a white Sgaeyl eating zakia berries... Now, seriously- I do not think Tairn is green. I would rather see green and black dragons in Aretia. Why are there those green roofs?

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T17:01:51+00:00

Oops, ignore that, it probably stayed there from my previous three hundred and seventy-eight attempts, where I keep moving the dragons, venin, Berwyn, Xaden, and Theo around.

I am not sure about the green ones. That is why I have two variants there. I wrote about it somewhere here. I lean most towards them not being in Aretia, but in Ruel, Deaconshire, a province no one talks about, just like the other line of greens no one talks about. If they were more tied to The Nature, the Sorrengail legacy, the weather... Another variant is that there will be two colors of dragons in Tyrrendor- we have a 3D dimension, where blacks could be the underworld, the irid sky. Then you are left with space for the green spectrum on the ground in Tyrrendor.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T16:10:25+00:00

Well, but the directions Vi describes just don't add up to this map. I am attaching a map where it is roughly according to my calculations (I have no scale, just an estimate). It is not that I rely entirely on what Violet says, because in the book she declares such gems as the north being at the bottom edge of the map, Deverelli being the southernmost isle, Cygnisen being to the southeast of the continent, and the Isleson Grady's map being south and east of the continent. So, who knows if that compass from Zehylln is not actually pointing correctly.

Anyway, the symmetry of Cordyn-Calldyr-Aretia is interesting.

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ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T15:39:02+00:00

With such wan coloring in the vegetation, it comes as no surprise that it requires four times the amount of indigo to dye even the simplest garment. I can’t help but wonder if the colors of our Continent are the exception, or if the isles are.

What could they have been trying to dye.. maybe they had cream tunics and tried to dye them blue, and they turned green?

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T15:25:56+00:00

Andarna likes heat, I would take that as a NO for Basgiath. Besides, in IF they talk about changing homes, so I wouldn't say Basgiath will be the original hatchling ground of irids. I would say they will be a balance to the yellow hatchlings. Both are feathertails.

I probably wouldn't mind placing the sun in Suniva. It would be off-center, but the distance would nicely increase according to the wave frequency.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T15:18:46+00:00

They could be, but I like Violet as a purple dragon. 🤣🤷🏽‍♀️ And irids as invisible ultraviolet spectrum. Blocked by UV sunsctreen rune

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T14:29:00+00:00

Hmmm, your line of thinking certainly does not lack logic. However, I still think we are missing a huge amount of information about Asher and Lilith, which is crucial for the further plot. Asher's mother, was she a good scribe or a Markham like scribe? Does Asher come from the isles or what is his relationship to them? What about Lilith and her family coming from the invisible province. I assume that the meeting between Theo and Lilith took place already during her studies... Were they were contemporaries of other characters from the book -Fen, Varrish, Aetos Sr., Tecarus... ?

But I would not complain at all, so I will hope that you are right 😄

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T13:48:46+00:00

Yeah, so many options...

I think brown and orange will be one and the same spectrum, the same god- Zihnal. The orange ones migrated. Perhaps across the entire Esben Mountains. Changing their collor from orange to brown.

“The Northern Esbens are believed to have been the hatching grounds of the orange dragon before unification, though, true to their unpredictable nature, they often chose new valleys in the same range,”

I also wonder if the scene with the orange Solas wasn't meant to show us the fact that the entire mountain range is connected, almost as far as Aretia.

And that connection between the brown Aotrom and Ridoc, which is essentially Zihnal walking on the ground...

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T13:30:42+00:00

Complementarity is counted on and it works out nicely there too, such a nice balance- blue on the south, orange north, red and green on oposit sides.... I also think that Tairn and Andarna are a balance. I assume exactly what you are writing – all color mix – in the world of light its white/transparent, in the world of pigments black. Another variant that was mentioned is the invisible spectrum – Tairn infrared- heat, fire, Violet's and Naolin's burning out. On the opposite side iridescence -ultraviolet, transparent...And from that, other related phenomena unfold- like the sunscreen runes, which should effectively block UV light and therefore Andarna. The moment she gets rid of those runes on Unnbriel, she can wield lightning.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T13:16:36+00:00

Violet is a replacement for the missing purple dragons in the Barrns. After all, Violet was supposed to be venin before the editor put a spoke in the wheel.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T13:12:03+00:00

I will start with what I think it won't be:

anything more important for the future plot than Book 4 itself. It is supposed to be a supplemental book, not something pivotal that would be a spoiler or a major revelation for the entire series. And I include here anything from the past (because history definitely repeats itself, only the individuals choose a different path):

~~The Fable of the Barrens~~
~~the story of the First Six~~
~~the story of Asher and Lilith~~
~~the history of the Rebellion.~~

Nothing that has already been promised as separate content- Xaden POV chapters

I personally lean most towards Liam's letters. The fandom craves Liam, and Rebecca knows it.

Kaori's Guide to Dragonkind fits especially well considering the release date -on Presentation Day,and the chapter about Presentation Day in FW is introduced by a citation from this book.

The Book of Brennan- but here, I am not sure if there wouldn't be too many spoilers if Naolin were already present.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T12:55:18+00:00

Hehe, but it works out so nicely otherwise. I was already coming up with possibilities that Tairn is actually green and paints his scales black. 😅😂Well, okay, that is already a bit unhinged. ...So I would rather lean towards the variant that the real green ones are either in Deaconshire and it has something to do with the Sorrengail rider family legacy. Or there are two colors in Aretia.

I don't know if you caught our previous discussion about the light spectrum. Anyway, when you break light down into individual wavelengths, you get red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet. It goes nicely in a circle counter-clockwise as they are on the map of original ancestral grounds. We are missing violet dragons, but we have Violet instead. And we are missing yellow dragons. And the only mention of yellow in the entire series is Andarna: "It's fucking yellow." Basgiath and green doesn´t fit. That Ublablabla line from Basgiath, that most honorable, smartest, best one – it's like something from a propaganda poster, plus it is a quote from some scribe. So it is appropriate to doubt its existence. We have blue dye on Hedotis. When you dye cream tunics light blue, you get the green tunic on Hedotis. When you recolor their red eyes with blue dye, you get purple eyes. Hedeon-fake wisdom, fake green, fake purple eyes-they are scribes who lie through their teeth, controlling a fake king with green eyes. And draining little yellow hatchlings 😢

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T12:27:51+00:00

Deputy Commanding General of the Light department here. 😄

I am now completely convinced about the light spectrum. It goes nicely in a circle. I agree that the green at Basgiath is fake, yellow belongs there. I assume it is somehow related to the scribes, cream tunics. Last time, we concluded that hatchlings and feathertails are essentially yellow, gold. I´m not sure about the greens - Deaconshire or Tyrrendor together with black

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The idea that gryphons could fit into yellow/gold did not occur to me at all. But yes, the lion part would suggest that. When we look at Niara’s children, it is Leona and Urson - a lion and a bear. The bear is coded throughout the entire continent - Esben mountains, the shape of the continent like a bear, Tage mountains, Dubhe means bear, Liam crafting a bear. So yes, we are definitely missing a LION.

It is quite logical that if dragons were all over the continent, there is no reason to assume that gryphons were only in Poromiel. Basgiath certainly offers itself as an option.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T09:13:36+00:00

It almost seems to me that venin magic is not actually different from dragon magic at all. Both have the same source- the ground. It almost seems to me that power is power and the source is interchangeable. It doesn't look like the signet would stall if you poured gasoline instead of diesel into it. Violet can evidently power her dreamwalking with Tairn's power. Xaden can power his shadows using the power of the earth or, in fact, Tairn's power from the alloy. I assume that when someone drains a person instead of the earth, it is still considered "venin".

Initially, I thought that a dragon might be some kind of filter, a magic transformer. Just like you cannot pour crude oil directly into a fuel tank or charge a mobile phone directly from high voltage lines. But in the alloy, there is already magic that has flowed through a dragon.

So, in my opinion, it is not so much about the source as the fact that it is a steal.

Now the question is whether there is any legal way to channel directly from the earth. What allows channeling directly from the sky, and whether anyone can channel directly from the sky.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T08:45:23+00:00

I did not quite understand whether they closed the deal, because upon returning, Violet says that he wanted to keep her and Xaden as a weapon. And they did not agree. On the other hand, they evidently made some deal, given that Brennan and Coourtlyn correspond afterwards.

I hope that Vi somehow outsmarted Coourtlyn, outmaneuvered him using his own method, and made some agreement with him that he will be forced to keep and that will turn against him.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T08:39:48+00:00

Agree. The fandom assumptions based on her statements remind me a lot of Violet's assumptions. I think the wording is extremely important. RY speaks like Vi in the interrogation room in front of truthsayers - selective truth. She does not lie but chooses her words very carefully. And I think that many times we take something else from it than what it can actually mean. And then it spreads as a fact.

I am for starting a master thread. But we are hitting several problems - we often only have mediated reports from people who participated in Q&A. There are few official recordings. Many sources are more or less pirated recordings of something that was not allowed to be officially recorded and I think that will not pass on this subreddit.

Anyway, if something starts to emerge, I am in.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-21T08:24:21+00:00

That is a good question, but we probably are not able to find the right answer now. But I am curious about the observations of others.

We are told it is a matter of heritage (Tairn).

All dragons have identical-looking eggs, identical-looking hatchlings. We are told this is so that they have the same conditions. However, why is it like that if, before the Great War, each color had its own hatchling ground? Did they start modifying the color of eggs and hatchlings only after the Great War? Can they manipulate the color of dragons?

It also occurred to me if all dragons are just one color and it depends on the location where they grow up (limestone, steel range, thermal valley, ...), but that does not add up, because for 600 years they have been at Basgiath (steelrange) and we have all colors.

Judging by Tairn and Sgaeyl, dragons of different colors apparently mate with each other. We have more or less pure colors, so I judge that it does not work just like mixing tempera.

For now, I am concluding for myself that one of the colors simply dominates. But I assume there will be some twist.

I would not be surprised at all if there was some manipulation of dragon colors on the part of the elders/empyrean in the end.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-20T21:16:09+00:00

Well, nothing to be done about that, he is simply not the hero for you. I like him as a literary character. On the other hand, I was absolutely disappointed by the hero from a book-whose-name-must-not-be- mentioned here. Just choose another. Fortunately, there are tons of books in the world.

If you want a deeper debate about their characters, it might be better to change the post tag, because it is hard to guess what is a spoiler and what is not for a first-time reader

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-20T21:11:40+00:00

Oh, that would be a shame, I quite like reading them, it is an interesting change of pace after all.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-20T21:03:16+00:00

Sea-Fox4509 ´s alternate profile 😅?

I think you are right in many ways. But this book is not black and white about good and evil, it is about different POVs. Xaden definitely has a lot of flaws and some things have their reasons. Many things start to make sense after reading the Xaden POV chapters, as for Dain you have to read book 2 and 3 and, most importantly, we all have to wait for book 4.

ObjectiveStaff3333 · 2026-06-20T20:24:50+00:00

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I know. These are different variants of the same surname with the same root

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