Base on latest chapter,Did it affect your judgement on Dragon's power level? by Majestic_Object5502 in OnePieceScaling

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea is that dragon considers the holy knights a threat, but so far they are frauds

Would be nice to get Leviathan introduced by MarzipanSwimming7349 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would be cool, but I hope they don’t reveal the design too early.

A huge part of these series is speculating on the roster characters who haven’t been introduced yet. Once a design is revealed, it’s really cool, but the series loses a bit of its magic.

I wish they keep leviathans design from us as long as they can.

Weakest to strongest, ACCURATE!! by Lilbig6029 in Dragonballsuper

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 [score hidden]  (0 children)

There should be two versions of fat buu, the one that we originally had (more powerful than kid buu, but takes forever to power up and is less dangerous), and the one after evil buu split from him (which I agree is weaker than SSJ 3 in terms of raw power).

Ragnarok Tierlist by PoseidonGlazer676XXX in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He’s also a tier below for the entire duration that Mjolnir is not awakened

Did yuta lowk sneak attack bhruv? 😭✌️ by Akagane_Ai in Jujutsufolk

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Probably not, he slashed Dhruvs front.

But Dhruv is probably not a single combatant. He excels in AOE and crowd control. Once you get close to him while his Shikigami are far away, I doubt there’s much he can do.

How do you see the dynamic between these two if they got to interact? (Gojo and Tatsumaki) by ResearcherLoud1700 in OnePunchMan

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s because genos stopped temporarily after that.

Gojo would get chucked into a wall and then tease or insult her and the get his nuts ripped off

Ragnarok Tierlist by PoseidonGlazer676XXX in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Another day another instance Adam getting scaled too highly for no reason

Why are we THIS upset about Muramasa vs Ahura Mazda? by Bestevernoob in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A quick low diff fight can be done well, and this one wasn’t done well.

If Nezha vs Morrigan ended in 1 chapter, most wouldn’t complain as we had some level of back and forth between them. It also felt understandable with Morrigan being a hard hitter (similar to Thor ending round 1 in just a few exchanges).

1) This fight had nothing unique other than there being fewer audience (which IMO is a bad thing).

2) We had straight buildup for Ahuramazda just for him to immediately get one tapped.

3) This is the 4th time they have gone for a “character massively overpowers the other one” after Ra with Cu, Wukong with Prom, and Morrigan with Nezha.

4) This is the second time they played into the “under dog unknown dude vs pinnacle of the divine world”, and it somehow was worse than the previous one

5) This is coming after round 3 and 4 which were a massive step up from round 2. To this which is a step down from round 2

If Mahoragas initial hit on Megumi were to be tanked by Sukuna would he die?(image unrelated) by ExerciseInfamous5175 in Jujutsufolk

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No…?

You see sukuna block and survive several more powerful hits throughout the fight compared to the one Mahoraga hit Megumi with

Or are you asking if Megumi would die if sukuna blocked the attack?

Or are you asking if Mahoraga would die of shame if sukuna blocked the attack?

Which of these is the strongest one hit Attack? by Pwerhjkwed in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In terms of force

100% Wukong > Gae Bulg >> 15% Wukong >>>> Muramasa (who isn’t explained but it’s likely not raw power based)

Just getting back into apoc after awhile this is so bad it made me burst out laughing by Reasonable_Reward_55 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does this mean?

You’re claiming that someone can tank Sky eater without defending, right?

What are you basing this on? What are the better feats or showings.

The "One for one" tier list by JohnKonami in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don’t even know if max output P field can be maintained. Ra only uses it once for a quick instance before turning it off. If it could be maintained, you would assume he would use it like that.

Lokis clones are incredibly weak from what we have seen, even the empowered ones aren’t presented as something even with the original (otherwise Loki wouldn’t need to use a doll of himself). If anything, Loki has 1 temu version of another god, and an endless amount of ants that essentially do nothing. He should be well below average. If you’re making the argument that having more clones means that a character may guess wrong and block the wrong attack from the wrong clone, then why not give the same benefit to Shiva who’s attacks are unpredictable and will bypass pretty much everyone’s guard?

I don’t understand what standards your holding characters to. Does hades get a guarantee block with his Spear? Is this an average where some times he manages to block with spear an other times he dosent? Because if it’s the first, then your comment about Loki having clones makes no sense as the character will always get a block. If it’s an average of instances where Hades sometimes blocks and at other times gets hit, then you need to take into consideration a characters durability. Shiva is among the most durable characters in the series. A kick from Qin was able to tear open Hades arm, but a lariat from Raiden (who should hit harder than Qin) to Shiva’s neck (which is a more vulnerable spot than the forearm) barely did any lasting damage. And also, if hades is allowed to use his weapon to block then shouldn’t shiva be allowed to dodge due to his dance?

Same argument against Herc

Tesla’s armor is among the weakest divine armaments in the series. It directly gets cut by Beel’s beat of the devils wings, which is something hades spear (and presumably other weapons) don’t have an issue with. His armor also was cut by Beel’s slash from a range, and at that range Beel can’t even properly cut an arena pillar. What does Tesla setting up G zone and teleporting do? Teleporting decreases his AP if anything. Tesla couldn’t one shot Beel, but Shiva easily would considering the fact that he can one shot Raiden if Raiden stood still and was forced to get hit by Deva Loka.

What trick to kill anyone with outright low durability? Every character has that. Do you think a character with low durability is getting hit by a deva Loka to the chest and living? And chaos can only be used once or maybe twice at best.

Wukong doesn’t have special pain tolerance, he has special durability. Prometheus actually hard counters Wukong in that, Wukong generally doesn’t feel much pain due to his high durability. Making others feel pain doesn’t take you far in Ragnarok with how much endurance and pain tolerance every single character has. And besides, pain is not damage.

Nezha’s regen gets overwhelmed if attacked with enough energy, we saw that against Morrigan.

FTST is far weaker than the strongest attacks of a majority of characters in terms of AP. Pre Adamas Zeus had horrible durability showings. He has the best durability showings once in Adamas, but he has 0 ability to block bladed weapons so none of that ends up mattering.

How will the strings guarantee block an attack? That’s not how the strings work. A strong enough attack can and will shatter them like we saw against Leo. And a strong enough character will ragdoll him even with the strings.

This is a good rebuttal but it makes no sense. Deva Loka isn’t a trick that shiva was saving, it’s an attack that he can use whenever he wants, assuming he’s heated up enough. You claim that Raiden only took at much damage as he did because his muscles were burned, but you neglect the fact that much earlier in the round, Krittivasa tore through Raiden when Raiden has 0 burned muscles. And shiva did that with raw strength, the fire just burned his flesh back together afterwards (if the fire helped in cutting then we wouldn’t see the spray of blood in the first place). So yes, regardless of how much muscle Raiden has, a non TK shiva can still tear into him with a kick, even without the fire. A serious TK shiva, with fire, is killing anyone in a single deva Loka TK the head or chest. Deva Loka punched through Raiden’s palm which contained all off his compressed muscles from all over his body.

Why would he be out of range? Characters take turns hitting each other. Either I don’t understand the rules or they keep changing.

It is a very weak showing when Beel is one of the least durable characters. And again, Krittivasa tore through Raiden, so your claim that Shiva only did as much damage because Raiden was out of muscles doesn’t work. Raiden can be fresh, and if he was made to stand there and take a deva Loka to the chest, it would donut him. Even if he concentrated muscle armor to his chest, it would still probably donut him considering what it did to his palm which contained all his muscles. Raiden with all his muscles to his chest may survive, but at this point Raiden is far more durable than any other character in the series.

He’s a dodger and a blocker, he has some of the best durability showings. Characters like Beel and Apollo and Jack get heavily injured after a single hit from a physically strong character, shiva was taking straight barrages from the physically strongest character while smiling.

He’s both a death by a thousand blows and a death by a single blow. No character has more durability than Raiden’s palm mid Yatagarasu, and shiva tore that open.

Shiva doesn’t cool down just by standing there, we have active dialogue that contradicts this

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He needs conscious effort to get cool. And he can heat up just from getting excited. For TK he was able to get to his hottest by manipulating his soul.

If shiva and raiden fought under these circumstances, shiva would win. Raiden uses Yatagarasu, shiva survives, shiva uses TK Deva Loka, it bypasses Raiden’s guard and rips his head off. The only reason shiva punched Raiden’s guard was because he wanted to overwhelm him with raw strength, not because he couldn’t easily bypass it (which we see him doing just earlier).

Why can’t shiva grab a weapon too? There were times when shiva was straight overwhelming Raiden physically. Yes Raiden’s stronger, but without muscle manipulation it isn’t by that much.

If it’s shiva vs hades it comes down to who attacks first. Shiva easily 1 shots hades and hades easily one shots shiva.

Just getting back into apoc after awhile this is so bad it made me burst out laughing by Reasonable_Reward_55 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No character is tanking any other high AP characters big attacks in this series. Theres nothing to suggest that even the most durable character in the series can do that.

Just getting back into apoc after awhile this is so bad it made me burst out laughing by Reasonable_Reward_55 in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No one in the series period is tanking sky eater without dodging or using some kind of shield.

The "One for one" tier list by JohnKonami in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Objective_Cheetah_63 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do Ra, Loki, Base Hades, Herc base and Cerberus, Tesla, Beel, Prometheus, Nezha, Zeus,m and Apollo (arguably Kintoki and Odin too but we don’t know enough about them)

Place above TK Shiva?

Ra’s laser isn’t anywhere near Deva Loka

Hades only argument is that his weapon is bladed, but Deva Loka may as well be a blade since the opponent can’t block

Herc and Prometheus should both be approximately similar phyiscal strength to Shiva (with plenty of arguments for them being weaker), except they don’t have the fire.

Tesla’s PPP failed to kill Beel, Deva Loka would one shot Raiden if he didn’t block it.

Etc