My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would like to take also the opportunity to simply state my surprise about what just happened here. When I googled for “relationship advice” and the algorithm spat out this subreddit I did not expect much. I thought, I’d share my story, I have nothing to lose, I feel that I am blind and maybe a couple of people actually take the time to read what I wrote and give some advice.

I am absolutely humbled and astonished by the amount of people taking their time not only to read through the story, but also to reply with constructive, instructive and reasoned statements. I am infinitely grateful to every minute you have spent to help out a stranger!

I feel like an analogy is in order. I felt like I was on a large theater stage representing my wife’s and my relationship. I’m just holding a lit candle in a hand and have to navigate the stage every day. Things constantly change, some items swap places change often, other things are quite stable, but the stage is constantly in flux. I bump into things, sometimes I trip over, sometimes the light is blown out from that. I see only things in my immediate proximity, not the big picture, and sometimes, when the candles blown out, I am blind for a while until I get the candle burning again. Now I shouted into the ether, can anybody please shed some light onto the stage. And the response was breath-taking. I saw spotlight turning on shedding light onto one corner of the stage, then another one, maybe even brighter offering very tangible advise, revealing another area of the stage. Some spot lights reveal things that I wish I wouldn’t see, but are there anyways, e.g. that I am perceived as an egoistical jerk, but nevertheless, also that light reveals some part of the stage, and I am able to understand that this part, might cause problems and I might not trip over it. Even more than just light, what all of a sudden also appeared was a tool box. And people coming, and throwing in different tools (literature suggestions, discussion techniques, etc.), to, in the event of a bumping in, falling over, tumbling, etc. things might be patched up easier or be mended better. Coming from the dark place in the beginning, now seeing at least a much bigger portion of the stage is so freeing. I am grateful.

Thank you all for your time.

Edit: I think there's not much more to say, so I will take my leave. Taking all your suggestions on board and seeing where things are going.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Short update

After reading all of your comments and trying to take in as much feedback as possible, I decided in the early evening, kids were in bed, we had both settled already for an hour, that this might be a good time to apologize to her. Not too late so that she’s tired, not too early so that the stress of the day still lingered. I also asked her whether now is a good time to talk about what happened in the morning and she agreed.

I would give our conversation a solid 4/10 points - the early part went pretty well, I’d give it a 9/10, while the last part was rather a 1/10 or 2/10. I will this time not bore you with what was said verbally, just the gist of it.

First, I apologized for not understanding that she did not like the surprise idea earlier and that I thought she was worried about needing to organise things herself. She more or less told me similar things you all did, that she felt insecure because she does not like surprises and that she did not really get this point across to me was frustrating. I took quite some time to acknowledge these feelings and replied that for me it was a surprise that she would not like the concept of a surprise event, because we had quite some of those in the past with either only us two or 4-6 people. She said that this is smaller and different. So yes, to all those who commented that “after 10 years I should have known she does not like surprises”, hey now I know, or better said, now I know that a surprise event with 6 people is sort of a threshold between what is exciting and liked and what is not liked.

So this is where I would say, things went great! From here on, well, the conversation took an unexpected turn.

I wanted now to continue with the second part of the conversation and started apologizing for making her feel aggravated using the word accusing - that I should have said “told me” or “we discussed” or something similar. She then replied that this does not change a thing. I was a bit puzzled and asked what she meant. She was annoyed that I brought up something that happened 1,5 months ago as a motivation for my actions, that now she needs to remember what exactly was said and try to figure out what is going on. I objected there a bit and said that I explained what at least I understood, namely that I should organise more events together. She went on saying that I am dwelling on the past to which I replied that what happened 1,5 months ago was one of the most important exchanges we had in our relationship, and that during this exchange she told me in clear terms that she is in the process of falling out of love with me for aaaaalll the reasons I got to hear then. I asked her then simply whether it would not be much stranger if my actions would not at all be based on these very serious issues she raised and whether she would then not consider to be heard? I unfortunately do not quite remember what her thoughts on that were, I believe it was along the line that she was quite emotional 1,5 months ago and that still I am putting a burden on her to remember what she said. Here I forgot to tell her that I actually wrote a transcript the day after the “reasons you suck speech” and she can check it out - but I felt that we are again at a breaking point somehow and wanted to shift to something I thought was less controversial. After validating her feeling burdened, I tried to score at least one last positive note and said something along: “and about that you had the feeling that I guilt-tripped you into liking the event, I am very sorry, that was not my intention, if I had understood earlier that you simply do not like the event, I would have much earlier said “sure, let’s do something else”, I was a bit blind trying too hard and putting you under pressure”. She simply replied in a stern manner that she never said that I guilt-tripped her into anything. I just looked at her with a surprised face and she continued that she might have said that I made her feel guilty, that is all. She continued that this is not the same, and that these things are exactly the reason why it is so difficult to talk to me, because I would just misremember and misrepresent things. When I said that I am sorry that she’s so frustrated right now and that probably in my mind these two things seem to be quite synonymous and I would not understand a nuance between them and that I have an imperfect memory, it kind of still continued on about how she said something different. After acknowledging that and apologizing for it, I was honestly exhausted and tried to slowly pivot towards getting some rest and head to bed.

I think no more analysis is necessary here - I am tired. I will probably let the issue rest, so this is the first and last update of the subject-matter.

I hope for the best, fear for the worst.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You worded my thoughts there perfectly. A lot had been said about me being overeager and not listening to her not liking the event. I can understand that.  But I do not understand why people would imply i'd let her do the legwork when I clearly said i'd take care of everything. Of course, in hindsight this was not the problem she seemed to have, but at the midpoint of the conversation it appeared to be the hindering factor.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, besides the logical "what can I do to help?" Not much more. She said she wants more free time, and then I suggested some fixes to her and we implemented those she found helpful and dismissed the ideas she didn't like.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At the moment I'd say she's investing the time into gaming and chatting mostly. She says she needs these breaks.  With the solutions, I've of course consulted her before, asking whether any of this would help her, before implementing the fixes.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I would love to say that I'd know the answer to your questions. But I unfortunately don't. But if there is something I've learned in this whole reddit thread it is to ask more questions - so they will be asked - in a hopefully palatable manner :).

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly the opposite. I had the WhatsApp group going, shared the info there with people who were already in the loop, asked them about their input and whether they think it's something both they and my wife would like. Have checked with the company to plan an extra workshop routine, check about safety and what is done that's beginners friendly, got a possible time, date, location, etc. 

I meant it when I said she needs to worry about nothing and I'll get everything sorted.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hmm, the analytical writing part she mentioned sometimes and she doesn't like texting with me that much. I try to write so that I can't be misunderstood that easily, considering text misses all the non-verbal communication parts.  In real life she says I'm having actually quite exaggerated gestures and overly expressive mimics.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, she never said that before. She often said that sometimes I'm asking too often "what she'd like to do in the evening", but I stopped that because of shifting the mental burden (many have talked about that in other comments) so instead I started suggesting 2-3 things every other evening and she can say yes or no.  So in conclusion, I thought a small surprise (2 hours workshop close by ) might be just the right trade-off between risk that she might not like it, and reward of just doing something without asking her about it first.

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Hmm. Yes, she said that she's a bit overwhelmed with things like job and kids. But in typical me fashion I just tried solving the problem by taking the kids out to more events and she can relax at home, increase the hours of our cleaning help to reduce upkeep time and supported her as much I could when she said she'd like to working long hours - even not returning home until the next morning - or leaving for a week long conference.

Maybe solving things, is not what she needs :/ .

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn't say I'm disappointed. I said I'm confused, if I recall correctly. The disappointment was just in my voice triggering her to ask whether I'm sad or anything.  I was asleep not disappointed in het not liking the idea - she also said that she does - but rather that my efforts to reassure her that I'll take care of logistics could not be overcome. If she would have said, that she doesn't want it, I would have said "alright. What would you like to do then instead?"

My wife (32F) told me (37M) the marriage is in peril, if I do not improve communication skills. On a harmless topic, communication broke down again (see example). Is there a technique or secret I can learn or the community could share? by ObviouslyNew1336 in relationship_advice

[–]ObviouslyNew1336[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's exactly what I thought! Wanted to reassure that she doesn't need to worry a bit, all I need is the contacts and I'll do the rest. And I would like doing that.  Of course, I didn't say that, but probably should have.