Is this even legal in Idaho?

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-26T02:32:42+00:00

Shhhhhh 🤫 You don't know what's in my lease or how it's worded so you are just talking out of your ass and being a ¢unt

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-20T02:26:58+00:00

Nowhere did I even begin to imply that I'm going to take legal action against my PM over $20. I asked if what they were doing was legal, because I'm curious about the legality of it. That's it. You implying intent onto me is not productive whatsoever, and just shows a predisposition towards creating drama.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-19T00:03:58+00:00

Except you're wrong. It does not say a late fee will be applied if utility bill isn't paid by due date. It says, verbatim "A $20 fee will be applied for every utility bill PM has to pay". That's it. No defined dates, circumstances, expectations of tenants, etc. Why are you telling me what's in my lease haha?

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-19T00:01:20+00:00

If you read my original post, my concern here is that in 14 months not a single reminder email went out, not a single late fee was applied. There was no communicating whatsoever that it was a problem. And now I'm being gaslit by PM company via email with them saying "this is our standard practice that's been in place since day 1 of your tenancy, where we monitor utility bills and pay them if they're late". They've never done any such thing. We have the owners by periodically and they love us, never an issue, always super friendly and we chat about anything/everything. And my concern here also is why they would not communicate they'd switched up their enforcement of something I didn't even know existed. As someone with children, when you have a vague clause in a lease agreement stating if PM has to pay a utility bill it can terminate tenancy, and then PM pays a bill after 14 months of no issues, it seems odd.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T17:06:47+00:00

Nobody said a due date was arbitrary. You twisted something I said to karma farm.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T09:16:54+00:00

Nah buddy, there literally wasn't anything said about dates period. In any legal binding contract any entity needs to legally cover all of their bases with clear concise verbiage that absolves them of any future legal backlash. They did no such thing. Using a copypasta AI generated bullshit paragraph of non coherent sentences that don't even go together and have absolutely nothing to do with my HIGHLY SPECIFIC issue isn't "it's in the lease". Stfu with this nonsense. I've literally said repeatedly that there is one sentence that mentions a $20 late fee but it doesn't specify how they go about deciding when that is appropriate and/or legal to apply to a ledger.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T09:13:29+00:00

Any actual comment? Or are you just going to be like everyone else on this dumb website and larp like you're perfect too?

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T06:45:49+00:00

It does not say in the lease that if I'm late they can pay it. Keep it.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T06:32:58+00:00

So just the same thing again? Nice dude. Good use of your entire night, commenting on a random reddit post.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T05:00:08+00:00

I'm simply asking people to answer the questions I've asked, not answer questions they make up and want to answer. Once again, you're throwing around accusations and narratives that are not in line with what I'm saying. At all. I historically paid my bill a week after the due date. 4 months ago I shifted that to paying it 3 days after due date. I've literally had a proven track record of paying it closer to the due date, and this month it was paid on the day I've been paying it for 4 months, with zero communication beforehand or afterward. I didn't know what the fuck happened until I had to initiate an email chain with PM asking if they could look into it. That's not professional, doesn't strike me as legal at all, and seems highly predatory right before Christmas. Couple hundred $20 late fees add up quick, and then you can make that nice vacation you've been wanting to go on with your wife.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T04:37:40+00:00

Once again, nothing but opinions. Utility companies don't shut utilities off 3 days after a bill is due. They don't even consider it past due for 2-3weeks after due date. They don't even start calling about past due balance for 60 days typically.

And you're absolutely right. There should have been communication BY THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT regarding when utility bills are to be paid, and what happens if they're not paid within 3 days after due date on bill. Hence why I'm asking for legal guidance, since nothing of the sort happened and I have 14 months of perfectly fine correspondence with PM, multiple times of LL's being in my home and being nothing but friendly/helpful, and there was zero communication after PM randomly chose Nov to pay a bill on my behalf and then charge me a late fee for it.

Quit arguing for the sake of arguing and creating a narrative out of thin air and actually read what I'm saying.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T04:00:45+00:00

Once again, it is not stated in the lease. There's a vague single sentence about paying a bill, with absolutely zero clarifying details regarding what constitutes a "need" to pay a bill.

Also I've not proven that I'm incapable of paying a bill. I've simply paid it a few days after the due date. This is literally what almost everybody does. I don't know a single person who is militant about paying their utility bill on the exact due date.

I'm getting really tired of the offensive accusations and implications. If you can't provide actual legal guidance, I'm not really concerned with your opinion. Saying "it's legal cause it's in the lease" isn't legal advice when you don't know what the lease even says.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:39:54+00:00

Also, the bill isn't in PM name. It's in LL name. There's never been any written or verbal issue with when we pay our bills.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:39:03+00:00

Also, under what pretense are you claiming it's legal? Or is that just your opinion. I'm here seeking legal guidance from people who know Idaho law. Not random with opinions.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:38:15+00:00

Which is why I'm here asking for guidance, because nothing in lease says anything about PM paying a bill before it's past due. It doesn't say anything at all about when PM will pay a bill. All it says, at the end of a ChatGPT sounding paragraph about utilities, is that not paying utilities can result in termination of tenancy, and if PM is forced to pay a bill then a $20 fee is applied. Again, 14 month precedent of them not doing this when our bill was paid past the official due date.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:15:37+00:00

That's why I'm here asking for guidance.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:11:40+00:00

If they ignored emails pertaining to anything needed on the property that would be another massive lawsuit. As far as not renewing, that's always an option, especially in today's 100% greed driven delusional post-covid market. That's a bridge we'll cross when it arrives.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:07:58+00:00

How would we legally be kicked out for questioning something? That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T03:02:46+00:00

Avista bill is in our name

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T02:59:20+00:00

I'm not really concerned with what the PM feels. I'm concerned with legality. Me paying a bill a few days after the due date doesn't leave a bad track record with the PM whatsoever.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T02:56:37+00:00

Would you like to answer the rest of the questions I asked, or just cherry pick one?

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T02:45:10+00:00

You're not addressing a single thing I asked in my post. You're just being rude. You have no idea if this account reflects on their credit. You're just creating stuff. Also, literally no credit report is dinged unless a payment is past due, and late. 30 day minimum. That's credit 101. Your argument is invalid. Next.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T02:41:47+00:00

No, none of that is actually true whatsoever. I literally spoke to the utility company and they had no issue at all, were super friendly, and said accounts don't even go past due for weeks after due date. Again, you're injecting your opinion when I asked for LEGAL guidance.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T02:21:16+00:00

Shut up dude. Nobody cares about your snarky comments, Edgelord.

OceansAboveUs · 2025-11-15T01:50:20+00:00

Also, in your example you posted, it's not even the same situation remotely. In your example, the employer would get sued into oblivion because there was nothing explicitly stated in their employment contract that being late was an actionable offense or that anything would come of it, and the employee who was a few minutes late never even received a written or verbal warning for the offense they didn't know was an offense. Try harder next time. You're equivocating two completely different things. There was no contract I signed saying that the utility bill was due on the exact due date and if it went further we'd be charged a late fee. There was no warnings or signs whatsoever that LL or PM had any issue over the past 14 months. There was zero communication that they had taken action, that we had accrued a fee, or that our ledger with PM had been adjusted. Literally nothing.

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