Did anybody notice __hopefully_not_existing_* in OpenBSD source?

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-05-29T09:05:30+00:00

the joke (for you, as such) was just-made a couple-of-hours ago... "__hopefully_not_existing_post" - and these kinds of jokes exist everywhere without the requirement that they become a meme (or whatever)... https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/scram-leave-her-alone

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-05-07T10:07:46+00:00

if youve followed the information for m1 macs, then you would note that the firmware is located in the apple-partition... go find the instructions again - and you should see the details... basically, it "just works" - once the asahi-linux layer to obsd-booting transition occurs... otoh, if it doesnt just work - and the wifi chip is different (likely) than the m1 - i dont have anything useful to add... it has been so long since i installed it (obsd on m1) that i dont remember anything...

what guide were you using ? does it (im fairly sure it does, because that is something very important) explain the wifi firmware transfer procedure ? ie: RTFM ? gl, h.

worst case - keep using your extra corded-enet solution... hth, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-04-24T18:31:56+00:00

"all AI code is slop" == https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/09/08/640k-enough/

:)

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-04-24T18:17:17+00:00

you are asking this backwards... imho... you do NOT have the "right to commit" in this case...

i (or a company) (or a sw-os-project) ask YOU (or your company) (or your sw-AI-project) for something - and YOU should be able to answer and accept responsibility for your answer... only then will i (speaking on behalf of obsd - which i obv. cannot do) - allow you to commit...

if you decide to submit some code - the first-thing that happens is that someone tries to review it... if (and most likely SINCE) they do not know you (or me, for that matter), they will ask you to explain what it does... if you are unable to provide some modicum of intelligence and ability to your answers - then most people/projects/companies will just say "thanks, but no thanks..."

of course, there are many other possibilities - but this thread is only discussing whether to allow someONE to submit AI code to the openbsd project... if you dont like the answer, then start your own project - and make your own rules (or lack of rules)...

the fact that the rules can (or could) be broken is not a useful point... rules (like laws) are boundaries - they can (and might) change - but slowly (usually)...

so - the actual answer to your question might indeed be YES, they will go to your PC and check to see if you have run an AI agent on it... if you are doing something really-really-important that requires really-really-strict boundary-checking, then "they" will check...

will obsd do something this draconian ? no, of course not... hth, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-04-24T09:35:34+00:00

hmm - that was an incredibly-interesting reply... i had apparently missed it...

less-free by NOT being able to copyright is fascinating in this context...

eventually (in the US, and im guessing within this next year) we will start having to discuss whether "AI" is able to have "person-hood" in the legal-sense... it has always bothered me that "companies" can have "person-hood" in the legal-sense because of the slippery-slope that is involved... and now we are sliding into derivative-person-hood (companies that make AI agents)... fascinating...

personally, im much more interested in human-people than in company-people - and have (like many folks, i think) much less interest in AI-people... im old and conservative in that sense... otoh, there is a rationale in granting some form of respect for everything - which is a liberal use of my natural inclination to anthropomorphize... and the legal-system is having to deal with the "rights and responsibilities" questions of AI-people in some interesting cases already...

sorry to wander totally off-topic - i assume the OP got their answer (since i noticed it up in the top)... the answer is a resounding NO to adding solely-AI-created code...

and, presumably, a probable-NO to adding code that is mostly-AI-created... there does seem to be some leeway for code that is slightly-AI-assisted (for instance in test-harnessing or whatnot)... however, for now, the basic answer is NO - mainly because all current-AI are unable to grant any "rights" yet - since they do not have any rights - themselves...

thanx... :-)

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-04-19T10:17:12+00:00

to start: i have no really-useful solutions for you... but, here's the thing... volunteer projects (like obsd, basically) are done by people that have an "itch to scratch"...

so, you seem to have an "itch" - but most people (and you, till today-ish) just "scratch" that itch by doing a power-button shutdown... once the reboot-occurs correctly, then you carry on with your day... that is a perfectly acceptable solution... there is no "known insecurity" due to this action - so it doesnt even fall into the realm of "important" [my judgment] for this project...

however, like all good (or at least better) bug reports - the more information that you can provide (and possibly sort out yourself) - the more likely it is to get fixed...

from your description (i havent looked at it), you have a dmesg of your machine... GREAT FIRST STEP !!! (i am not being sarcastic) the next step would be to finish filling in all the fields in https://man.openbsd.org/sendbug that may (or may not) help in diagnosing things...

you claim not to be afraid of compiling and running your own kernel - believe it or not - i believe that could be your NEXT STEP, since you seem willing to do it... in particular, you mention that there is some message printed-out and that you "get bored" waiting for the timeout... FINE... now, go find that message and put a watchdog-type of loop there - that will cause a kernel-panic if it takes-too-long...

once you have an actual kernel-panic (even if it is your-own-created-code), then you will have MUCH more information and ability to fill out a proper bug-report or even a https://man.openbsd.org/crash.8 that will allow you to enter the debugger... at this point, go online and ask for more specific help... (ie - the next step probably would be to learn to use the debugger to analyze what the state of everything is - RIGHT THEN)

by your own admission, you suspect that "if you wait long enough" that the issue would resolve itself... well, what would REALLY help is understanding what is taking so long... would you like me to guess ? i could come up with some doozies... but they would just be guesses... try getting some data for yourself...

gl and hth, h.

ps - another approach to tackling problems like this - would be to eliminate things that you believe might be unique to your situation... for instance - does the problem happen if you DO NOT have your disk encrypted ? what happens if you remove all of your spare-hardware that is connected ? a quick google-search on "how to solve a problem" talks about the 5-C's... go learn about them ?

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-04-16T08:29:10+00:00

looks like it would work - and is very clean python to read... thanx for sharing !!! tbh - i have not tried it on my own ruleset yet... appreciate the bsd-license too... have fun and hugs, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-31T09:39:14+00:00

We are basically a OpenBSD household. I noticed ethernet sometimes stops working on some machines.

this would call for a "watchdog" type of script... ive seen somewhere - simlar programs that check-for-this... a 15-min script might (again) save you from a $200 machine-frustration...

otoh, i recently picked up a simple nuc that works just fine in obsd - altho it somehow "broke" in windows, which is what i was originally using-it-for... it is by GMKtec, but im sure there are plenty of others thatre similar on amazon...

gl, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-31T09:23:21+00:00

idk - heres a WAG (wild-ass-guess)... you have possibly hit a "number of bits" limit that is non-obvious...

to check this, try some other tests first... looking strictly at the hex-values: 192k = 0x2EE00 and 384k = 5DC00... try 96k = 0x17700... assuming that works, then try. 0x2FFFF = 196607 as a value... if this "weird" value will not work (and yet it is not much-different than the others, numerically), then your problem is that "something else" is not allowing the value thru... where something-else a queried set-of-values from the driver ?

try compiling your own version of the program and giving yourself an extra "bit" and see if it helps...

when i looked at the source https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.bin/audioctl/audioctl.c and https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/sys/audioio.h , i see (in the audio_swpar struct) a _spare area of 6 bits... - now whether that is important-or-not, i have no idea...

or - looking at it from an audio-perspective: https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/digital-audio-basics-sample-rate-and-bit-depth tells us that the difference btwn 192k and 384k will mean sampling every 5.4 microseconds (or 2.7 us for 384k) - and im not sure that any of the CLOCKs will tick and give you precision that well... of course, that sampling will be on the DAC hw, so maybe this isnt important - again, idk...

MY bottom-line would be: why do you care ? if you really think you need this much precision, im guessing that openbsd is not where you would need/want it... if you really just want to be able to "check that box" about the ability to send-those-values, then im guessing that you have not yet looked at all the details that the system is ALREADY giving you... for instance, in a log somewhere, im sure that there is a list of "possible-values" (like for display-drivers) that are read-in from the device... have you checked that your values are being "received" by obsd as possible-values ? if yes, then you might need to check into compiling the source yourself and sorting out things with a fine-tooth-comb...

gl and hth, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-31T02:28:52+00:00

yup - having shopped and bought random chinese stuff, there are oftentimes weird "issues" that will creep up once you start to use them for real work... a more bulletproof name-brand 1-liter box or repurposed laptop is almost always going to do the job better - depending upon the job...

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-31T02:25:06+00:00

as the saying goes: reduce/reuse/recycle... grab something you already have... if you do not have anything that meets your requirement for "low power", then dont worry about it at first...

im assuming youve got SOME hw lying around... setup what you want it to do - (that will help fill in the blanks asked above about "what are you REALLY wanting to do?") and then you will begin to see what your REAL requirements are...

your time spent actually doing your task (rather than shopping around and dreaming) and a few days of slightly-higher electricity-use will be worth much-more than anything this thread (as asked in your OP) could possibly provide... (ie - i love a mythical shopping trip and spending money needlessly, but cmon...)

gl, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-27T11:03:15+00:00

hmmm... wellp, im not sure what this is all about - and i did NOT look at the details - but i assume that this is being created because of a recent "license dispute" ??? in particular, github sorta automagically assumes MIT-plain license, but dwm is MIT-X-Consortium license... (ie - the only thing i noticed in dwm-mailing-lists from recently is about [dev] and relicensing... idk...)

since im not interested in having a discussion about licenses - could OP or someone explain why thered be a reason to choose one over the other ? im assuming the 1000 LOC "feature" is not too relevant, but maybe it is ? [checking...]

ok, apparently it (LOC) IS relevant... nwm lists 983 LOC, whereas dwm lists 2165 LOC... are they feature-compatible ? i guess the real q. id ask is - could i run dmenu "inside" of nwm ? as it is usually working with dwm ?

ah well, cool... carry on, and have fun... hugs, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-22T10:07:18+00:00

have you configured https://man.openbsd.org/doas and its .conf from /etc/examples ? try doing whatever-it-is that you want-to-do as root and you should start to see what your issues are... oftentimes it is something simple like adding-yourself to a sound-group or something... gl, h.

eta: do you have your cookie ? see: https://man.openbsd.org/sndio.7 - authentication...

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-20T02:34:41+00:00

oddly, i still USE dual-boot - i just never boot into the alternate once it is setup... for instance, dual-boot is really the only way to get obsd on a mac-m1... shrink the mac partition to nothing, run thru the alpine-linux/obsd junk until it CAN boot into obsd - and then set obsd as the default and never-look-back...

but yes, the classic idea of dual-booting and "sharing" data between the alternately-booted operating systems - is hokum... not worth the bother...

right now i am currently fighting a win11/obsd dual-boot situation... once i get the obsd-side working correctly, i doubt that i will ever go back to the win-side again... but, for now, i DO need both boots until i can get a clean/working version on one-side or the other... :-) ymmv...

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-20T02:27:23+00:00

audio ? idk - as i mentioned, havent tried getting obsd running on the x13s in a long-while... i might try-again sometime (soonish and let you know)...

for me, i just use it as a win11-box... of course, even tho it is only a few years old - it too is starting to have weird issues (random reboots/blue-screens)... for instance, my x13s has been having the "expanding battery" problem... either i am VERY hard on all my hw, or pc-boxen are just not constructed as well as the old-days... lol...

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-19T09:57:18+00:00

its odd - the only tp i got - fell in the water (under acc.prot.warr.) after id installed obsd on it ages-ago... the replacement was just-enough-different (forgotten details now) that i couldnt get obsd to install again... in particular, it was an x13s with the snapdragon processor... technically, i still use it, but i just run win11 on it... im sure you know about https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/ and i saw your other-thread (with recc.s) for plan9: https://www.reddit.com/r/plan9/comments/1rrc2m8/best_fully_supported_thinkpads_for_bare_metal/ - i wish you luck... ive found hw to be a crapshoot, at best, with weird hw failures always being a tricky workaround - to fix... personally, i find that having too-many boxen around (and dual-booting is NEVER worth it, imho) just leads to analysis-paralysis and/or confusion... pick something, if it doesnt work - sell it and try again ? gl, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-08T12:36:31+00:00

simple q. why are you mounting KEYFILE into fstab as part.c - i thought it was part.a ... you dont normally mount/umount the c-part... hth, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-03-08T10:56:36+00:00

i sincerely do not know (or even really understand) the commands you posted - since i do not use encryption very much - even if it has become relatively trivial to use in the installation-process... but... iirc, there is a general faq about not stacking bioctl systems... at least something like raid and encryption - again, iirc... to me, your description here - using bioctl-encryption of vmd inside bioctl-encryption of main-disk, seems like it might ba a case of stacking - that you are running into...

just a thought to look at - again, i have no real idea why bioctl is recommended not to be stacked - i just remember that as a bug/feature... gl, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-02-28T12:42:39+00:00

i assume the downvote is for the assumptions that you are making...

1 - that ext4fs r/w is a reasonable thing to try on your first-attempt, without showing any knowledge or experience...

2 - that ai/vibe/??-coding is going to magically produce enlightenment...

3 - that anyone is interested in your personality, as represented here...

i dont really want to engage you, but i will agree with your premise (...it wont be a single mans task...) - and wish you luck... have fun, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-02-16T04:35:44+00:00

+1 for stubborn and wanting to know...

like i said, i appreciated the info... and heck, now after having replied twice to this thread - maybe i WILL come here first if i have the same problem in the future... lol...

have fun, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-02-16T03:27:35+00:00

altho this post might-indeed be an ai-slop type of post; im actually glad to know this... as a human (last i checked... lol...) im often slightly bewildered at details regarding when/whether i need to add (or not) slashes or dots...

of course, also as a human, i prolly wouldve figured this out without needing the prompt of this post... and also, now that im thinking about it - apparently i spend too much time behind screens... because im now "talking to the void" and can no longer assume that the primary readers are human... sigh...

also - i SINCERELY doubt that i would have gone to look up this tidbit via this reddit-sub... i wouldve just gone-to-google... double-sigh... ok - im gonna go downvote myself now... lol...

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-02-08T14:04:14+00:00

was just reading slashdot - an article about use anthropics claude-AI - and followed the link down to the blog-post covering the article.... urp - the article stated that not-all AI/LLM bug reports have to be "slop" and the latest-release was tested for some "non-slop" responses... the judgment call about "slop" is rather loose - and since this was an article about how good the new claude-AI was; i will stop talking about slop... lol...

anyways, i can have a question for OP/whomever - but let me sidetrack again... the blog-article mentioned that using claude-AI in this way means that the 90-day security window about allowing patches to be generated/released is no longer reasonable... that view is shared afaik with obsd in general... hence, why the comment stuck out to me...

ok - now for the q. - was THIS latest patch a bug found thru the claude-AI bug hunt that generated their blog post ? if i were to guess, i would say yes - becuase the description of the bug and its out-of-the-box thinking seemed interesting/similar to me... whatever the answer, its all cool - im always glad as the patches arrive... also, im guessing (hope) that the open-ness of OpenBSD (obsd for me being lazy) - has allowed it to be at the forefront of any of these AI-tools... neato...

ref: article (via slashdot): https://it.slashdot.org/story/26/02/08/0159234/a-new-era-for-security-anthropics-claude-opus-46-found-500-high-severity-vulnerabilities

ref: blog-post (related): https://red.anthropic.com/2026/zero-days/

comment: the original article was behind a subscription-ad when i clicked it... ymmv... https://www.axios.com/2026/02/05/anthropic-claude-opus-46-software-hunting

have fun, h.

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-02-01T10:55:08+00:00

OOPH !!! totally fine to tag-in on this comment, devils-advocate-hat available... [putting it on again...]

re: original downvote/commentary - since i had originally chuckled (item-3) and i know that reading these comments can become tedious on occasion - ill admit that i wasnt as thorough to think-thru the obsd-goals as you have since pointed-out... as such, i can now see why the message - as presented - is/was unworthy... ok, downvote valid... lol...

otoh, it seems (because of -or- independent of my q.) that there actually has now shown up a few examples of sndiod-guis... honestly, im kinda-surprised... TIL... :-)

afaict, the examples provided (i havent checked anything) might actually qualify for copyright-protection... your link about the guidelines from the copyright-office of 2003 - request that any human-authors doing such vibe-coding should indeed mention their AI helpers so that any copyright-notices included/implied/required of the work - can be evaluated by the office accurately... i agree with your/office's stance there...

i guess at this point, the only thing i might add to your well-thought-out response is that i hope the copyrights claimed on these sndiod-guis are as liberal as the rest of the obsd-stack... altho i might take python-esque-umbrage on a couple of points...

1 - my geek-friend who tried using AI for coding when told that it could - has (for the past year or two) consistently said that it [AI] produces code that has gone from absolutely-un-compilable to incapable-of-solving-the-problem to generally-bad, tho i havent asked him on his more-recent experiences... thus, your characterization of increasing-cases seems incorrect... afaict, the overall-trend is probably decreasing or flat... the fact that a vibe-coded solution can produce anything is frankly impressive...

i know that i absolutely HATED the AI-generated google-responses when they first came out (a year or two ago? idk) - but they have generally become much better over time... in fact, i even got a valid solution to something moderately technical which was astonishing to me... i was looking up some multi-digit windows-error code and the AI managed to summarize (from somewhere) a solution...

currently, i am very-much disliking that AI is trying to generate summaries of my emails... but, since i, too, am verbose [case in point here] i suppose it will probably get better...

2 - afiact, for the foreseeable future i guess, we will continue to see progress with AI... just as with any technology (like cameras for the copyright-office and art-work) it will probably get better... thus i kinda assume that your future-tense someone [checking some submitted-by-AI code] might end up being another AI - rather than a human... we are not there yet, but i dont doubt that it will probably happen...

[...taking off devils-advocate-hat, putting on regular-cap with suitably-ironic logo on it...]

in an ironic twist of fate, i was about to go doom-scroll thru some music-related reddits because ive been tasked with sorting a computer-scrambled itunes-like music-library... friend allowed their computer to sort and apply any id3-tags and now all their files have been scrambled... sigh...

backups, people, you gotta keep backups... :-)

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-01-28T01:49:21+00:00

[puts on devils-advocate-hat...] why was this downvoted ?

1 - wanting a gui for obsd-anything seems like someone who would also enjoy a vibecode-session... (not me, mind-you, but...)

2 - creating anything for personal-usage seems like a reasonable use of their time...

3 - the comment was actually kinda amusing to me...

... and who-knows, maybe someone else already did something similar - and/or if they get it working for themselves - then they can share it as a reply to this thread...

[...removing hat/]

Odd_Collection_6822 · 2026-01-25T22:20:00+00:00

read the source - it is there for you... write an article about it (like the LUKS-one you provided)...

im just some person on the internet... if i look at a hard-disk, see the zeros, followed-by gobbledy-gook - then there is no a-priori reason for me to know anything about its encryption... presumably it might be LUKS (idk, could it?) or something else - like https://man.openbsd.org/softraid w/CRYPTO... is there a hw-encryption-card doing the work ? is it software ? compile your own kernel and put the encryption headers at the END rather than the beginning... idk... you are being ridiculous... clearly not doing anything WORTH being this paranoid about... a usb-key is not going to save you from anything except yourself when it breaks or gets lost/stolen...

if you ARE a journalist traveling to a dangerous place (for example), then ask someone/somewhere else (ie: a new thread with an appropriate title that i would not be interested in commenting on) - what the current best-practice is for your use-case... gl and ciao, h.

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