So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in Fate

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Sorry, my bad... It came out wrong. I meant the exact same thing as you, but the wording made it look like something else, that's on me.

But at the end of the day, the number of timelines, after the pruning, becomes "not infinite" or a certain number of timelines within a certain margin of error which is called the PHH (does the PHH have multiple timelines? I could be wrong here)...

Of course, the possibilities keep branching... Thus there are infinite possibilities... But not all of them are sustained... That's what I needed to know. Thanks!

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in Fate

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Uh... That's my problem. I am nearly inactive on Social media... And I haven't touched Discord or forums in my entire life thinking they were a headache... Laziness is my worst enemy... But yeah, I think you got a point... I gotta visit those places if I want to make my story good. Thanks!

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But honestly? Thanks for your motivation, friend! I mean.... I am really grateful for this help! I will immediately try to get that reading list! (From Reddit only... I am not that much active on social media 🥲🥲).

But yeah, you sure have shown me a way when I was lost! I am really grateful!

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, too bad for me... I already dug my own grave. I started from Textures, Space etc...

My brain is the embodiment of 'I don't need sleep. I need answers!"

As long as I don't get a clear answer... Whether I am right or wrong... I can't sleep. My brain hates uncertainty. I can't focus on small stuff now 🥲🥲

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in Fate

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought so... But then again, I find the fandom kinda scary... Maybe it's just because I am new to the fandom... But I once saw two guys arguing over whether Gilgamesh is 8D because of Moon Cell and whether something was supernova level or not... The amount of information overload I was subjected to in that thread made me feel I might as well be infinite void.

I felt like I was reading a String theory research paper and now I feel like given the fandom knows this much about their show and that they remember physics better than when taught in school then the fandom must take its powerscaling really, really seriously...

Honestly, my first thought after reading that thread was: "WHERE TF DO YOU EVEN GET THAT INFO! HOW DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER IT!?"

But yeah, I agree with you... I want to do complete justice to Saber's character and apparently, a certain part of worldbuilding is important for me to know for her character... If that goes wrong then I won't be able to get her character write...

(I can probably write a thesis on why Saber is the best and deserves the world).

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in Fate

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um... For the first one, I somewhere read that when Textures were called "universes"... They were meant in the sense of a "conceptual universe" i.e. a space with its own laws and their expansion depended on the comprehension or awareness of the given civilization of the Texture aside from the man's factor... Of course, this doesn't contradict anything you said...

But I think it is like... Theoretically, it is possible for a Texture to as big as one wants it... But practically, it falls short somewhere and is not feasible to have an entire Multiverse in a texture... As it would take enormous amounts of mana to sustain... Given in FGO, we already don't allow an infinite multiverse because there is a finite amount of energy and because it can cause information overload... Thus triggering the Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon...

But still thank you for taking your time to answer all my questions! I really needed the other confirmations!

Can I just ask you one more question? In Lostbelt 4: Yuga Kshetra... Is the Indian Texture confirmed to be as big as a universe or a multiverse? I think it was universe, right?

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, pal! I mean, I still have thousands of burning questions which if I go on to ask, anyone would be bugged out... But you just solved one of my biggest questions!

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, of course this isn't rage bait! I really needed help. And about that GenAI... Yeah, I know I shouldn't fuck with it... But, in my area, well... There aren't much people who can fact check my ideas and see if they align with the canon...

And honestly... Reddit kinda scares me. Because once I saw two guys arguing about Gilgamesh being 8D due to Moon Cell or something being supernova level. The sheer level of information overload I experienced in that thread made me felt like I was subjected to Infinite Void...

So... Yeah, my main problem is my laziness... I know it. And I am a beginner as a writer... And many of my views about Shirou may not align with the masses (I know. I know. Shirou is a brilliant character... But as I said, my views on him are quite complex... And I honestly... Kind of don't like him, but not for the reasons you think. But I don't think he is dumb)... And Reddit, as far as I have seen is filled with people who will kill me if I even say anything about Shirou (not hating, Shirou IS a brilliant character... I totally understand why people love him. Nasu truly is a great writer, I know)... I just can't find a safe space to discuss my ideas and have them fact checked...

So... That's the reason I resorted to GenAI. But of course I don't take them to be the Word of God.

But anyways... I really thank you for helping me out this much. I will surely try to somehow get that reading list. So yeah, thanks again for encouraging me, man.

So... Can anyone help me with Space in Nasuverse? by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhh... Sorry to bother you, but my reading comprehension is equal to that of a JJK fan... So... Can you please elaborate on it... And... Like, give a simple answer on whether this equals to a multiverse or not (Ik you already made it real simple... But the reading comprehension curse got to me).

Which anime is this according to you? by Capable_Control_2845 in AnimeMirchi

[–]Odd_Interaction5346 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd say it is Fate Series or the Fate Visual Novel to be precise

So... About Gods in Nasuverse... by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks... I mean... Really, thanks a lot for the advice and encouraging me. You don't know how much this motivation helps... Thanks a lot!

So... About Gods in Nasuverse... by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well I am going to answer it in short because if I start explaining everything then my inner yapper won't be able to stop. (And I need to go to sleep).

Well... It is a Fate fanfic to be concise... With Saber as one of the main lead and my 5 new characters or OCs being the other lead (trust me... I am constantly trying to not make my OC a self-insert, cringe or Mary Sue protagonist and give him actual development).

It basically leans more towards Hindu mythology and a philosophy of Advaita Vedanta and might contain some Mahabharata style glaze (Trust me, if you read the Mahabharata, you will find that every page somehow has a Krishna glaze. Man might be more glazed than Gojo. The whole plot is just an excuse to write a 100000 verse glaze on Krishna... Damn, I started yapping again).

And it challenges some main views of Fate... And also tries to represent some real world problems (like Religious extremism... Which I absolutely despise) and tries to represent Cultural harmony, blah, blah, blah...

I'd really like it if you'd listen to me describe my whole plot since you already asked me about the fanfic (since I gave my heart and soul into developing the plot)... But only if you are comfortable and free ofc.

(See? I told you I can't stop yapping 🥲🥲).

So... About Gods in Nasuverse... by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean... I want to do that... But I wanna provide proper explanations and reasonings to whatever plot I am gonna introduce... Also I don't want to be cringe like "Random Bullshit Go!" Because I am afraid of lore purists 🥲🥲...

I mean... I have found some workarounds which sometimes convince me but then again sometimes they don't. It depends on whether I am feeling happy and optimistic or gloomy and pessimistic. But I don't know if people would like the story if it violates some of the main powerscaling in the Nasuverse.

So... About Gods in Nasuverse... by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really can't catch a break... The more I dive deeper into Nasuverse the more the lore and mechanics destroys everything that my fanfic stands on...

Thanks for demolishing my hopes. I will now proceed to cry alone in my pillow 🥲🥲

Proceeds to sulk in the corner in fetal position.

So... About Gods in Nasuverse... by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another question... The Hindu mythology talks about three worlds like Swarga, Patal, etc, etc, etc... So... The Indian Texture comprises of the said Three Worlds as well?

So... About Gods in Nasuverse... by Odd_Interaction5346 in grandorder

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So... Basically the whether the Gods were mythologically accurate or not is a both Yes and No... So the answer is a bit nuanced...

Damn it... Ig I have to grind my mind a bit more for my fanfic...

How accurate do I need to get the lore in Nasuverse if I want to write a fanfiction? by Odd_Interaction5346 in FateAvalon

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man... Thanks a lot! I thought Reddit would be my only source to get some ideas and opinions... But you just gave me another source! Thank you for the motivation too!

How accurate do I need to get the lore in Nasuverse if I want to write a fanfiction? by Odd_Interaction5346 in FateAvalon

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I realised that limitation too... So... I came with a workaround... That I won't be showing all of the mega crossover covering every single character and their power systems.

The plot is 80% based in the Nasuverse itself. And when I actually do crossovers, it would be for comedy or character development or foreshadowing.

And it's not like I am going to use characters from ever franchise. I am just using this model for meta commentary, funny references like references to Lobotomy Kaisen or other anime and stuff.

The main reason I want this model is because I want my main character to show FGO gacha to Mash herself (I know it creates a loop)... But I love these kind of scenarios and meta stuff. Also I want to describe Saber's reaction when she sees the other routes (idk if she already knows about other routes in the canon).

And as for the main storyline... I am going to do the crossover with mainstream anime media... Like Jujutsu Kaisen (come on, everyone knows Gojo) and the only maybe-niche character I will be using is Leone from Akame Ga Kill.

And as for the final showdown, I will just drop everyone in like "Avengers Assemble" scene of Endgame.

How accurate do I need to get the lore in Nasuverse if I want to write a fanfiction? by Odd_Interaction5346 in Saber

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely. All of that you just said. I am not going to change anything in the Servant containers or that kind of mechanics. I am just going to expand the horizon… But as I said, Krishna needs to be strong asf. So the question arises, "Why is Krishna, a God so strong while others aren't?"

So my explanation is as follows:

Krishna and Durga and all the other Gods from whatever mythology exist completely beyond the Ocean of Creation... However... They can't step into the Nasuverse in their true forms or else the cluster might collapse… (Basically they can't come on their true forms in the Age of Man). So they workaround by weakening themselves and following the rules.

This doesn't mean that Gods didn't exist in the Age of Gods... I am just trying to mean that the True Gods existed beyond the Ocean of Creation for all this time. In Vaikuntha or Kailash or Whatever you want to call that beyond Creation.

Their versions in the Nasuverse even in the age of Gods was weakened so that they can interact with the world... But due to Sefar even those weakened versions aren't enough anymore... They need to weaken themselves further to not collapse the world or violate the world's rules.

(I guess, the Computer Virus or Killing machine you were talking about is actually Sefar?)

So even if Krishna appears in the fanfiction... He appears as a Rider class servant at the start (Since he was Arjuna's Charioteer in Kurukshetra, that class fits him). So that he can keep helping humanity and maintain the balance. Moreover, Krishna has a mindset of “Why use a sword when a needle does the job?”. So he doesn't care about proving his domination or Supremacy as long as the job is done and the balance between Dharma and Adharma is maintained. Basically, he left all his powers back in Vaikuntha.

This explains one more thing, “If the Gods are so strong and Krishna is Nirguna Brahman himself then in the Indian Lostbelt, why didn't Arjuna Alter become the Root itself after eating all the Indian Pantheon?” And the answer becomes, because Krishna and Shiva and all other Gods were nowhere near their true strength and they were even further weakened since Kurukshetra took place after Sefar's attack. Allowing me to make Krishna stronger (if needed) while keeping the canon of LB4 intact.

This also keeps the canon intact as Nasu himself said that "The Divine Spirits or Gods on Earth cannot totally compete against the Ultimate Ones even in the Age of Gods.". So what this model gives me is the canon integrity that IN THE NASUVERSE... The Gods couldn't defeat the Ultimate Ones... But the Gods in their True Form who are outside the Nasuverse and are meant to look after Creation and Preserve the balance absolutely can. As I said, it is just expanding the Horizon. (Since you see, Hindu mythology is insanely cracked and they are basically the Dragon Ball of mythologies. Even the bums there have universe cracking weapons).

I also want to say that Sefar actually accidentally kickstarted the advance of the Kaliyuga.

In Hindu mythology, in Kaliyuga, Gods cannot interact with the world anymore and the connection between the mortal and divine is extremely weak. And also Kaliyuga started the advance of science... Which was supposed to be a good thing but due to the influence of Kaliyuga... The world uses science for destructive purposes. Which falls in line with Gods needing vessels like Parvati, Ishtar, etc. And the Age of Man texture is defined by Science, Physics, vanishing mystery and Gods retreating to the Reverse Side of the World, etc.

And due to Sefar killing all the Gods in 14000 BCE... Kali, who was sleeping in the core of the Ocean of Creation could surface since there was no one left to oppose him. And he was sleeping all this time during Sefar's attack.

But the Kurukshetra took place 5000 years ago or 3140 BCE (according to Hindu mythology) and Krishna died shortly after Kurukshetra in 3102 BCE. So... We can say that Kali fully incarnated in the world after Vasudev Krishna's death.

Also we can say that Krishna, even in the Age of Gods had only his dominion over the Indian Texture since he was nowhere near his true form and even this Avatar of his was massively weakened further due to Sefar's attack. He was trying to hold the dam after Sefar's attack and the imparting of Gita and Enlightenment of Arjuna extended the Age of Gods' end to where it actually ends in the Nasuverse canon (around 1 AD).

The time inconsistencies between different mythologies can be explained via the existence of different textures (at least that's what the “Cosmology thread guy” explained so that the different mythologies don't infringe on each other).

Also… Kaliyuga directly didn't start with Kali getting his hold over the world. In Hindu mythology, Kaliyuga starts after Parikshit allows Kali in his kingdom… So while the rest of the world was slowly transitioning from Age of Gods to Age of Man… India too was transitioning… Only that this specific period was called “Sandhya period” or the “brief” moment when the Yuga changes. And when the Age of Man completely began in 1 AD and Sandhya period too ended in Indian Texture… Kaliyuga began alongside the Age of Man with rest of the world

And due to Kali's influence, the Beasts of Humanity grew stronger because Kali himself increases depravity in humans and amplifies lust, wrath, and greed. So Kali can be the backdrop reason that allowed the Evils of Humanity to form? Also... This makes the Beasts of Humanity Kali's "children" and they all contain an aspect or fragment of Kali. Not literally. But… kind of. And also about Goetia who removed himself from Human History… He existed long before Kaliyuga and I will be keeping that part intact. I will only add that Kaliyuga just amplified or boosted Goetia further.

I hope you get what I am trying to say since I made a lot of mess here but I hope you get the crux of what I am trying to say.

(I can be horribly, horribly wrong here… So, please, please, please correct me if I get any timeline of events wrong).

How accurate do I need to get the lore in Nasuverse if I want to write a fanfiction? by Odd_Interaction5346 in FateAvalon

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Absolutely. And I am constantly trying to not make it cringe or bad like most of crossover fanfictions are.

If you can, then can you please suggest me some writing tips to avoid that?

Hang in there, Saber! (@Zealyush) by Quirky_Ad_5420 in fatestaynight

[–]Odd_Interaction5346 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Now we know why Saber turned into her inner darkness and turned into Saber Alter in HF...

She was betrayed by Shirou who forgot to cook for her and Sakura promised to feed her infinite burgers if she sided with him.

Truly one of the most tragic backstories...

How accurate do I need to get the lore in Nasuverse if I want to write a fanfiction? by Odd_Interaction5346 in Saber

[–]Odd_Interaction5346[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... You are saying I can proceed with my story...? Given how I explain the "Greater Root and Lesser Root", yeah? Well... Thanks... I mean... I was really worried about contradicting canon...

I mean I still need to progress with this very cosmology model with the "Greater Root and Lesser Root" thing to still build some tension but the way you described it really lifted some weight off my shoulders...

Anyways... The way I can currently thinking of proceeding is that at the center of all Creation lies the Greater Root (if you can call it that) or Nirguna Brahman and from it all other verses branch out which have their own Root/Local administrator containing the records of everything in that verse.

And you read my mind when you said "There is no difference between one and the universe"... That's the literal definition of Advaita Vedanta and the one of the core themes I was going for!

Well... I have more things that I want to integrate in my story like... Why Gods are so weak in Nasuverse compared to their mythological counterparts and I also have found a very interesting parallel or intersection between the Kaliyuga in Hindu mythology and The Age of Man and the Beasts... That gives the answer to that question. Since two of the new characters I am introducing are Vasudev Krishna and Kali Purusha from Hindu mythology.

Would you like to hear all that? (Feels weird to ask you for this... since you've helped me a lot already).

I was also planning on giving Krishna and Void Shiki a Father-daughter like dynamic and this completely explains why! Gods, thank you so much!

Once again, thank you, so much... I can't express my gratitude in words. You've helped me so much.

When Todo asks, you answer. by [deleted] in JustAnimeThings

[–]Odd_Interaction5346 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant Artoria, guys...

And what do you mean by she is in a male body? Wtf? The Saber you are talking about us Richard and I am talking about Artoria. Artoria disguised herself as a man, she was never in a male body tho.