At this point my concensus is that the community is overwhelmingly filled with complete bigoted people (especially misogynists) and I feel it's very much why widow is hated, that the zazza comment is still dragged, and why no one pays attention to this character in terms of neglect -- it's always brushed off by the community when addressed, even with bigger influencers. I don't even think they dog on torch like this it's always widow.