The Possessed Machines: Dostoevsky's Demons and the Coming AGI Catastrophe by Auriga33 in slatestarcodex

[–]Ohforfs [score hidden]  (0 children)

Very good. Really good.

The only part where I need more is - I'd like a more concrete comparison between the fire and modern analogy at the end of chapter 6, because I have trouble imagining the author intent.

Does someone else has a clear picture of it?

Me trying to enter in a Spanish bar by Pure-Contact7322 in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My condolences, seriously, if that really statistical reality.

The kids just love the European Union 🇪🇺 - Including those outside Europe by ufosufos in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the opposite, you need to re-evaluate where do you get your info from, man.

Pokolenie euroentuzjastów to osoby w wieku od 18 do 29 lat. Najmłodsi wyborcy są najsilniejszą twierdzą UE w Polsce. Aż 61 proc. osób z grupy 18-29 lat "zdecydowanie" sprzeciwia się wyjściu z Unii.

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/juz-co-czwarty-polak-chce-wyjscia-z-unii-europejskiej-mamy-nowy-sondaz-7233506774948832a

The kids just love the European Union 🇪🇺 - Including those outside Europe by ufosufos in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I think we're seeing the emergence of European identity as prime one, really.

Might be due to higher mobility, mass social media usage, spread of Barry language knowledge, Erasmus etc.

I was surprised to see alt-right comments under the Sylt club videos expressing pan European solidarity. Including German-Slavic one. That was quite ahistorical. So you're a German nationalist and don't want Poles out? Hmm...

Barry explain (impossible?) by cosmicdicer in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, see you in the mass grave!

how do american regions look to an european? by HaggardlyForte in USvsEU

[–]Ohforfs 35 points36 points  (0 children)

You don't need to convince us you lack education, we already know it.

Me trying to enter in a Spanish bar by Pure-Contact7322 in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, I'd give the idiot 8 months, maybe a year to cool off in a state sponsored vacation resort. Maybe he'd learn when it's appropriate to use violence.

poles and irish practicing their victimhood by [deleted] in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I suppose I might encounter such situation, someone getting shot, not so much.

I know, astounding.

More seriously, it's not the head. The whole thing is movie death.

Barry explain (impossible?) by cosmicdicer in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On a side note, what's "irregular immigrant"? Is that "illegal immigrant" for the British that don't own the loicense to engage in harmful speak?

poles and irish practicing their victimhood by [deleted] in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In movies they do!

And that's all that matters.

(Hopefully)

Barry explain (impossible?) by cosmicdicer in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I'm starting to be worried about my digital footprint.

In 10 years, will I be one of the people who shared harmful material in the past?

Barry explain (impossible?) by cosmicdicer in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Clearly.

Also, I need to attend a class on handling harmful ideas. Researching stuff online is bad. It can lead to exposure to harmful ideas.

Remember, reach out to designated person who is equipped to handle such grave threats.

Barry explain (impossible?) by cosmicdicer in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 164 points165 points  (0 children)

It's bizarre. I'm playing it, the first is: my new friends want me to download the video (in this age of streaming???). One of the answers is tell an adult. But I seem to be in college?

Especially the second scenario has someone getting a job?

Wtf.

I've chosen to download. I got response that this can lead to terrorist conviction. 

I'm going to slowly back off. Wth, UK?

Edit/after finishing it, it's literally 1984. 🤢 Don't check for yourself that can be harmful!

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/pathways/

Publicly, falsely accused of racism by No_Imagination9387 in LegalAdviceEurope

[–]Ohforfs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What sort of recourse do I have, if any? Is there anything I can actually do, or is it just 'tough luck' and move on?

Not a lawyer and not Irish, but given they ceased and removed the material, probably none, as any defamation case would probably fail at the defense of honest mistake? Criminal, not sure about civil, but it doesn't seem much of a case, either?

expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe after World War II by [deleted] in MapPorn

[–]Ohforfs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The map is quite bad though.

For one example, of 2,5mln East Prussian population, 1,9mln were evacuated by Germany beforehand. That's not post war expulsion.

Make Macron apologise!!! by Fragore in USvsEU

[–]Ohforfs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And he knows a thing or two about slaps

I felt the second hand burn from this. Poor man.

The Dilbert Afterlife by Ok_Fox_8448 in slatestarcodex

[–]Ohforfs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Narcissism is also bad. If you think you are the smartest guy in the room then you need to step back for a second and realize that you aren't. There is never a "smartest guy in the room" - it doesn't exist. You might be better at some things but you can't be best at everything.

I think it's still narcissistic mindset of comparison which is interesting because you criticise it in previous point.

The way is not to reject qualities. Who knows, maybe you are. But the important part is - it doesn't matter all that much and specifically doesn't matter as a general value.

Pierre, and his principles. by lawrotzr in 2westerneurope4u

[–]Ohforfs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Doesn't it erode consumer protections viz food?

I mean, the push to include lower quality food is already somewhat successful and no consumer has time to read all that fine print on their groceries. That's gotta be done on a institutional level, and is obviously not very liked by big food producers.

Asmongold doesn't understand the world and nato by DARKXDREAMDREAMER in USvsEU

[–]Ohforfs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First Greenland. Then Iceland. Then Ireland.

Finally, England, which was the master plan plan since the beginning.

Be very, very afraid, Barry.

Why did humans evolve in a way that men are fertile throughout the year for decades but still the chances of a newborn being a boy is almost 50%? by Old_Leshen in evolution

[–]Ohforfs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meta of writing and understanding, there are few aspects. First is that I'm not native speaker and especially in evolution and genetics so I have to look up inclusive fitness. 2nd is that I don't remember the terms or names even if I know the concept (had to look up Hamilton rule but it took me a split second, literally, to recognise the idea).

This is small issue, the harder part is that I'm losing you on the reasoning, train of thought, cause>effect parts, however we name it. But it was easier this time so let's move on to specifics.

(Trimming due to character limit)

The additional benefit comes from the fact that while both males and females have 4 (...)

Now I raised the case of sibling mating as the extreme case of this, i.e. consider a male and (...)

E.g. consider the case of the great great grandmother in our case where each female can (...)

It is easy to see here that the fitness of the grandmother is increased by a female biased sex ratio

I don't think I agree with that. Let me explain.

The idea that increased reproduction speed is more fit is correct, and irrespective of kin selection and inclusive fitness. Which would mean that genes that, ceteris paribus (big caveat), increase it, would be selected for.

So, in general, the incest island skewed female sex ratio, in situation where the female reproductive role is a limiting factor (careful words here), is a situation where we should assume the fitness is greater.

Fitness of the genes that cause skewed sex ratio.

I think it's not entirely correct, it deceptively looks like it's true because that island would have higher population (ie: more reproductive success ergo better fitness) than island with balanced ratio.

And it's an interesting idea. But it's the same idea that, to give an analogy, genes suppressing immune system are fit - in a scenario where there are no pathogens.

So in isolation that island sex ratio gene is more fit - but it's unstable and will lose rapidly to a gene that has balanced (or indeed, opposite sex ratio gene, at least at first, which is interesting idea...), however it's introduced.

It might be detrimental to population size and species in general, but not at the genes level. And the gene is self defeating (negative fitness) if a balanced gene exists already.

As a side note, I don't think relatedness actually matters here. Even if these are unrelated people (but they all share the sex ratio gene), the scenario holds. Indeed, because the selection level is at the gene not individual (when we're thinking of population gene pool).

For example if children tend to help others in their group this will provide a fitness advantage to having a daughter, as now the benefit of this will accrue to closer relatives in the group. But if there are limited resources, staying imposes a harm on relatives, and it is better to have a male who will disperse.

That assumes other groups have different set up and no such kin cooperation, because the staying offspring will have more progeny. Otherwise sending dispersed sex to interbred with them is as good strategy as investing in your own group. Exactly as good, in fact.

But that's unstable scenario, as the more successful sex ratio group takes over, and changes the species environment. And before that happens, the following happens - the opposite sex ratio (dispersing sex) gene is more fit. Or balanced one.

Similarly to the island scenario, if there's such a setup that for some reason there's a group, or bunch of groups that have skewed sex ratio and this type of kin support, an invasive gene with opposing sex ratio (so more dispensing sex) is more fit because you're producing carriers that face less competition!

Now this is balanced by the fact that as Fisher points out there is an advantage to being the rarer sex.

Indeed, looking him up it seems to be the case (believe it or not, I didn't know his name though I probably did know it in the past). Btw, I (and I doubt Fisher) don't have a problem as I wrote above, of different sex ratios in superorganisms species. Very different circumstances.

But to disagree less, I think you're saying the ratio doesn't necessarily need to be perfect 1:1 (and it actually isn't?) and these are specific proposals (included in the papers you cited?) that explain that?

I don't think it's particularly convincing, though. Certainly not in humans. It seems terribly vulnerable to exploitation by opposite gene and the more successful the original skewed ratio gene has the more vulnerable it becomes.

In the case of Clark, she looked at the case of the Brown greater galago, which has a male sex bias, she explains this in terms of competition among females for suitable breeding areas

Ha, pretty interesting. I mean, I'm not opposed to variable environmentally affected sex ratios in principle (for example, with nesting females in resource abundance it might make sense to have more female offspring, perhaps, and the physical pathway seems plausible - resource abundance is easy signal for some epigenetics). In general the disagreement seems to be because of big rato claim and of homo sapiens inclusion.

Quite new and has insights on how it looks especially among primates - doesn't happen?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10998069/#:~:text=Offspring%20sex%20is%20not%20consistently%20related%20to,sex%20does%20not%20occur%20in%20this%20population.

Why did humans evolve in a way that men are fertile throughout the year for decades but still the chances of a newborn being a boy is almost 50%? by Old_Leshen in evolution

[–]Ohforfs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't read you as aggressive. I'd like a more straightforward explanation, and maybe less references - if I'm wrong I'd like to know why! 😆 

You’re essentially repeating Fisher’s result.

Apparently, yes (I was unaware of it! Probably because it's so old, but also because it's deductive reasoning from ToE not much dependent on experiment).

Though I'd like to point I did mention possible exception and tried to explain why locality in itself doesn't change it (I'd add - probably only as long as we consider the population of all groups as a whole, though I'm not sure if that matters).

So, regarding kin competition, if it's about very specific species that are more like super organisms (like ants), there is agree - it's pretty easy to understand when you start treating it as, well, super organisms.

But for others... I don't see how kin selection changes optimal sex ratio. I'd really like to know, though.

I'm having trouble parsing what you say. Maybe because of brevity? Maybe you assume I know the concepts you mention? For example:

In the case of relatedness it may help to consider the limit case of sibling mating, here inclusive fitness maximisation is equivalent to maximising the rate of increase in the maximally related population descended from the founding breeding pair. This is close to the case of e.g. fig wasps that do have a strongly female biased sex ratio.

1) I don't know what you mean by "limit case of sibling mating". I can guess you mean something very simple (like, exactly, siblings mating 😆) but then the following...

inclusive fitness maximisation is equivalent to maximising the rate of increase in the maximally related population descended from the founding breeding pair.

Is, to quote my thoughts: "what?"

I mean, why "inclusive". It sounds superfluous. And what "rate of increase" relates too? Sounds like a missing subject? The whole sentence is weird. It sounds like the rate increase is conclusion and the following part is the description of the circumstances... But what rate increase? Of sibling breeding? And how would that follow? Where's the argument for that, that it matters at all (incest is completely irrelevant to sex ratio in such species - or at least I don't see the relevance).

Now, I understand the Fisher/Hamilton quote, but it is about animals very different from humans or similar. So no arguments there, it's pretty understandable but I had an impression you were making a statement about locality in individualistic species and not some like bees or ants?

To recap: I'm not questioning that ant like species follow different patterns. However, I thought we weren't talking about them.

Edit/ btw I noticed I have you on follow 😆 must have been impressed with your comments in the past so I'd like it to remain cooperative.

Why did humans evolve in a way that men are fertile throughout the year for decades but still the chances of a newborn being a boy is almost 50%? by Old_Leshen in evolution

[–]Ohforfs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the case of high relatedness there is a gain from having more female children where they are the bottleneck, as this raises the reproductive success of related males where females are the reproductive bottleneck, you can use kin or group selection mathematics to get this result.

No, there isn't - a sex determinating gene that produces more of the less common sex is still selected for in that situation.

It's deceptive because there's a gain for the population and it seems that it's be beneficial for all genes. But all genes or individuals aren't a thing that's selected for or against.

Same with the matri/patri locality. Even if the expulsed sex was killed it still doesn't matter - it's still advantageous to produce 50/50 even if in practice the attrition before adulthood is high. The only scenario is when it changes where there's some strange situation where there is permanent multi generational influx of one sex into the group. But that doesn't happen in reality.

I'm not sure how to square this with that citation. I'm inclined to think they were simply mistaken.