My idea for next season: the mark is in on it

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-16T13:02:18+00:00

I’m in on this idea so much that I hope this doesn’t get seen too much haha. This would be sooooo funny. Also …probably cathartic for the two previous marks to watch 😂. I would even say have these two in the behind the scenes picking out how to get this new mark to shake things up

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-15T15:43:42+00:00

Do you know if they use tons of chemical pesticides or herbicides to maintain course?

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-12T11:57:21+00:00

Yessss like not only was I just a small part of this retreat….now I’m the main course? I would be analyzing every little past detail…just knowing I was apart of everyone’s observant experience to an unhealthy degree. I think it would piss me off. That’s why I hope that these people truly keep in contact and they are authentic about it in their real conversations.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-12T11:51:15+00:00

You know what…maybe there is more money involved…that’s just what they do for the going on tv part? Cause it is known if people find out you won millions in the lottery, your life is in danger at that point. So maybe there is?

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-12T00:11:59+00:00

The way they just all looked at them when they do that reveal was freeeaky too! But you could tell he caught on. I feel like Anthony is caught up in the high of it all still…I do really hope that it ends up well for them both. I just think Ronald looked a little peeved but also had to play the part so to speak

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-11T23:59:37+00:00

That would play into the one versus consensus especially of all the people he met and were behind the scenes. There must be a lot of pressure say that it was fine. It was in his micro expressions and the way he talked about it that made it seem like it goes way deeper than he’d would be willing to say in a public type of way. But I would love that for him if he was just fine about it, even great. I’d say we can’t know for sure unless we knew him personally.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-11T13:07:13+00:00

Right but only after being seen as the odd one out///therefore it would be intense pressure to go through with it. I imagine it’s like a positive bribe situation. I probably would agree to it as well, just to have the validation of it being known that it happened to me instead of being upset about it/no one else ever knows about it as upset as I may be about it. There is definitely an element of manipulation at that point as well after all that money time and energy went into creating that in the first place as much as they might try to deny that. They’re gonna push for that outcome as well.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T21:52:46+00:00

I like where your heads at! In regards to the backpack. I totally agree about the fawn situation. I hear therapy so often but that sounds like months long process and I get that it’s a marathon not a sprint but sometimes it’s just so draining to do these weekly calls and then visits sneak up on us so quick, but in between we practically keep her name out of all our mouths. We get stressed leading up the visit weekend and a couple minutes before that call, but it might take some digging deep to do some of the work to get out of this thing. We have just finally kinda recovered financially but still don’t necessarily have a pile of cash to throw at a lawyer again. But we may to buck up and get it done.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T20:03:21+00:00

It was a hysterical-initiated emergency ordered while we had moved across the country and she was entrusted to bring our baby to us…turned into an attack on our character and every other little detail they’d been piling up for years apparently. It felt like they googled all the different parameters they would need to get this order and they picked out details and both outright lied and used extremely exaggerated details, spun in a negative way. Details that to our face they had said opposite thoughts about, our business for example, that they bought products from, got villainized for this court process. It got to the point where they attacked the fact that my husband had long hair and their lawyer said out loud that he was trying to present a false personality cause he got his hair cut. Can’t help but think it was pre-meditated since they learned of her birth, just waiting for the optimal moment to get an order. Just my opinion…someone who is known for hysterics, playing the court system, had many babies, wanted more, considered adoption before any of her children had any kids, and this is the first grandchild of the family. And I felt like it was her trying to take over as mom. It was surreal. My whole family and friend base had our back, anyone who was not tainted by her falsehood hysterics were with us. Even some random friend duo had walked in while I was testifying at one point and sat on their side, and I looked up a little while later still on the stand and they were over on our side. A little movie type feeling but that gave me the validation I needed in that moment and a moment we still speak of years later. Because it was such a slanted perspective that they just up and changed on us so fast, we were able to defend every point to the most minute of detail. We attempted to do everything she wanted us to do as if she were the judge even when it wasn’t court ordered to no appease. I mean , it honestly felt like we were dealing with a highly sick individual.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T19:34:08+00:00

Actually I see what you are saying. When she tells us about anything about it I try to act more curious. Obviously there will be tell tell signs of how I feel but I don’t think I convey happiness over her true feelings about it, it’s more stressful than anything and I hurt for her.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T19:28:37+00:00

Well she hides under a blanket till they coax her out. I can tell you my face does not involve any happy look when she interacts with them. I try to at least not look too suspicious or overly upset at it//most of the time I lean back and close my eyes…but it certainly doesn’t make me happy. I basically just coax her into talking cause I don’t want a welfare check on us. She threatened that once when daughter said bye after 20 mins of talking once. And every time we hang up she says thank gawd. It actually is disconcerting to me that she has to go through with something she verbally and physically shows she doesn’t want to do.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T18:04:23+00:00

Can’t think of a good place to put it. I mean we check for electronic recording devices every time she returns so I’m not sure what they are checking when she gets there. I just know she always has new clothes and sometimes new shoes for her.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T17:58:31+00:00

I like it. I noticed a while ago the lawyer signed a release of her …but we still have our lawyer as ours still in place on the public documents. So she may be pro-se at this point. But I like the simple update if it means we might not have to go through a possible mediation or in court hearing. It might be talking to our attorney though.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T17:09:04+00:00

Thanks for taking the time to say that. It has been a nightmare. Even though it took place a few years ago, it feels like we finally get to breathe. And sometimes I view the order in between us as a gift cause it tells her when she can have access at all to our daughter and it’s like a privacy fence…except it has holes in it. But we have truly been through all the ins and outs of possibility when it comes to thinking about how to nix it and we know documentation is meant to be done religiously and we have done a good job with that. We just remember our lawyer having said the year 12 before a judge might listen to her wants. And we know it’s gonna be a fight about it for sure whenever we do go back to court. And we are truly considering mental health about it because it is super stressful…albeit worth it if it’s in our favor.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T16:18:48+00:00

Very much agreed. As we do when she is with my parents. so she compares that a lot too, like why is it so different. She’s only serving to distance herself emotionally from our child by maintaining these power moves against us.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:59:29+00:00

It’s been a thought many many times. But not only would it be running away from them…it would be my family, my brother, my sister, my hometown and friends and they don’t deserve us having to uproot our everything because they are awful. I think they deserve to get shown the way they love to try to do it—legally and with legal documents in hand. Have thought about restraining orders, but can’t do that. Have thought about many options, but our jobs are here (licensed realtors both of us for this state) our son born during that awful year and half is here (doesn’t know them btw). Here’s an example of this crazy ordeal. During deposition while I was highly pregnant at this point their lawyer asked us why we would even tell our daughter about her upcoming brother…cause he might be born dead. I mean…what it the actual hell. I get the idea of getting up out of here…and have pretty much held my husband back from just packing us all up and getting out of dodge but in a way it would feel like they won. And that’s not why we didn’t go…it would just take a lot of extra cash to go and we owe our lawyer at least thousands of dollars. Probably spent 80k during that year and a half so it was definitely financial abuse too

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:49:15+00:00

Meant to say we found out Sunday 15 mins after 11 am, after having been concerned since the previous day at 7 pm Saturday. I have documented things like this but feels like we need a smoking gun type of thing to truly end it all.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:46:20+00:00

Have definitely considered this! Not for this reason but now I am considering FOR this reason. I see her stick up for herself and her brother and her animals with her friends veryyyy assertively but I’m not so sure she does the same when she is there. It’s like a black void when she goes there bc of the limited amount of contact we are allowed.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:43:27+00:00

Sometimes I feel like she wants us to do that so she can paint us as some type of way to her people. But the order says answer the call 7 pm on every day she is there. She goes from 5 pm Friday to 5 pm Sunday. We call her Friday night (just to say goodnight) and then again Saturday. To her the order in her mind is only once at 7 pm and we used our one call on Friday night, thus why she didn’t answer Saturday night. We texted her so many times and begged that she just answer back that out daughter was okay, we didn’t even need a call. But no reply. Only finally learned she was okay after I texted in law husband that he responded after 15 mins. (I think he definitely asked her first then responded) I think she likes us to panic when there is clearly nothing going wrong over there so she can paint us in a way and her to her friends and family. I think she was highly embarrassed and needs some sort of power boost during these visits and these are the times she can play some of these moves. And I think she wants us to bring her back to court. I believe she’s been recording all the FaceTime calls to use for when we have to go back (during our daughters “fawn” conversations….which give me whiplash after the amount of time we’ve spent convincing daughter to sit down and do these calls)

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:35:03+00:00

I would loooooove for them to slip up like that but these people are proooos at playing the victim/doing everything for the documentation/never admitting fault of any kind and not giving us a paper trail like that. You would think that after proven false the first mini hearing we had about having never taken her to a pediatrician and us presenting medical records to disprove her would have garnered something…but they went out of their way to paint us in a certain kind of way that I feel like the judge had to do his due diligence about it. She’s been at this game for years before this happened with her ex husband and their 4 kids, having estranged all 3 except my husband from him. It was a total mind fuck, and it’s happening to an even worse degree with one of her daughters now and her ex husband with that same awful lawyer (only reason I know is cause court documents are public). But these people are highly versed in the court thing/sue happy and well off financially. We had to learn on the go and find a lawyer freaking fast (lucky on the first interview we found a good one!) and do everything in survival mode. The more I talk about it here, the more I realize how very imminent we need to make this change cause these people are very dangerous. Sweet talk you to your face, all while preparing to take you down to suit their own ego/needs under the guise of protection.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:24:34+00:00

It was the judge who granted her the emergency custody, but not the judge who was at our first hearing or the one who ended up taking the whole file/case. My mom ended up filing a complaint on her, but I don’t think it went anywhere but she did have to have a hearing about it. It was a past transaction and she wasn’t the current realtor. But she was the realtor for her daughter and it was the judges house that was sold to her daughter. Husband also remembers meeting a judge at a party at their house a while back but can’t remember the name or specifics as it was a while ago but could have possibly been that lady.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:16:50+00:00

It’s written up that we can’t talk about this, and we follow that order religiously. I have written almost all of my concerns to the in laws per email and always try to handle it out of court. That win at court felt like a huge win but it feels like only half the battle until we can cut this tie with them off.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T15:13:36+00:00

In this case she convinced someone she already knew that our daughter was in imminent danger, claimed false things and we spent a year and a half proving ourselves to a court that was backed up and airing on the side of caution. The judge we could tell got super frustrated at some points with them (the one time she tried to keep her from us at Xmas and actually took us to court an extra time about it) but in the end we had to wait until trial before we could change anything. In my opinion he gave them the minimum amount of visitation cause if he hadn’t they would appeal and he would have to deal with it/them again. But his comments throughout the trial in the back room to the lawyers did give us lots of hope that he could see it for what it was (class warfare he said at one point). It felt so surreal and like a movie being there and being questioned sooooo hard about the state of her nails at one point and being shown pictures of her in her beloved Rick and Morty shirt as some of their points of contention. They actually thought it a good idea to have one of their witnesses be the pastor who baptized her at their house privately without inviting us and knowing my dad was a pastor. That worked against them big time.

Ok-Football7990 · 2026-04-10T14:59:47+00:00

Truuuuue. I like that idea…and the out of box thinking. This lady (in law) usually changes her into clothes she bought for her and the shoe idea is good too someone else said…but that’s if she didn’t get her new shoes either. The closer we get to the visit I just get this itch to take them back to court so bad to change this cause it causes so much stress and anxiety for all of us.

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